Split Thread BBC news reporting

[Planigale]

The whole video haas been made available to any media who wants to see it.... so that excuse doesn't scan



Teaching anti-Semitism to students in a place of higher learning, in the UK's biggest city, and its capital, is a trivial story. Got it!
I would have thought with the current situation in Gaza, a story that involves spreading hatred of Jews at a University would be a story worth publishing for any media outlet

Of course, if the media outlet in question is pro-Islam, anti-Jewish and has for the last several years, stuck rigidly to a pro-Palestine - anti Israel narrative regardless of any evidence, then they may not wish to counter their own narrative. It could be embarrassing for them.


Irrelevant


She is a former researcher at the college.

Samar Maqusi

www.middleeasteye.net

Some of her work is still listed on their website

Bartlett PhD student installation ‘Space of Refuge’ to open at London gallery

'Space of Refuge' by Bartlett PhD student Samar Maqusi is an installation based on the study of Palestinian refugee camps. It opens at the P21 Gallery in London on 10 March 2017.

www.ucl.ac.uk

Anti-Semitism is just fine if you only share it with a few students... amirite!


That would be regrettable if it were true... fortunately, it is not true. They have understandably been barred from holding any more events until the investigation is completed. However, Dr Masqui has been banned, and rightly so.

UCL statement in response to antisemitic event

We have today issued a robust statement following reports of antisemitic comments made during a student-organised event held on campus earlier this week.

www.ucl.ac.uk

“The individual responsible is a former fixed-term researcher at UCL, but not a current member of UCL staff. We have reported this incident to the police and have banned her from campus. We have launched a full investigation into how this happened and have banned the student group which hosted it from holding any further events on campus pending the outcome of this."​

So your quote says a former researcher, not even a former teacher. certainly not a current teacher so your claim;

Teaching anti-Semitism to students in a place of higher learning,

Is false. As has been pointed out the theme of this thread is the need for accuracy in reporting.

The meeting was a political meeting not an educational one. What we see is something that might perhaps be better expressed on the thread concerning freedom of speech in the UK. Whilst I condemn anti-semitism, I think meetings considering the politics of the middle east are allowable, if people make errors in their talks the appropriate action is to educate and inform, not to ban them and silence them. I am curious whether the person who recorded talk (an anti-Palestinian activist) challenged the parts of the talk at the time?

 

[smartcooky]

So your quote says a former researcher, not even a former teacher. certainly not a current teacher so your claim;

Is false.

No it is not false. You do not need to be a teacher to teach.

Definition of TEACH

to cause to know something; to cause to know how; to accustom to some action or attitude… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

2: to guide the studies of

3: to impart the knowledge of

She was imparting knowledge (albeit false knowledge) to group of students... i.e. she was teaching them
QED!
The End

As has been pointed out the theme of this thread is the need for accuracy in reporting.

Indeed, and I was accurate--- FACTUALLY accurate as to the only facts that really matter, being, what happened in that classroom.

Unfortunately, some of the people here are more interested in quibbling over minutiae, arguing over how many angels can fit on the head of the pin, rather than engaging in substantive discussion about facts and evidence.

The meeting was a political meeting not an educational one.

So there is nothing to learn in a political meeting? Got it.

What we see is something that might perhaps be better expressed on the thread concerning freedom of speech in the UK. Whilst I condemn anti-semitism, I think meetings considering the politics of the middle east are allowable, if people make errors in their talks the appropriate action is to educate and inform, not to ban them and silence them. I am curious whether the person who recorded talk (an anti-Palestinian activist) challenged the parts of the talk at the time?

Promoting anti-Semitic lies at place of higher learning is NEVER acceptable under and cicumstances not matter how you might like to turture the facts to suit your personal opinion. As the president of the University correctly stated...

“Freedom of speech and academic freedom are fundamental to university life, but they can never be misused as a shield for hatred."


That you pointedly chose not to address or acknowledge my rebuttals of the other points you stated is noted!

 

[smartcooky]

Have a listen to what this woman has to say.... This is Natasha Hausdorff, a Jewish lawyer and director of a charitable trust (UKLFI). She gives a first-hand account of her dealings with BBC management and editorial staff.

I'm hoping the lurkers will get something out of this. I also hope any open minded lefties (although there's not many of those around these days) might find it interesting and enlightening. Of course, our usual suspects will dismiss it all as right wing Zionist lies - they wouldn't want any of those pesky counterarguments to puncture their bubbles and sully their precious worldviews.

Watch time is about 20 minutes
Natasha Hausdorff interview in YouTube

 

[Planigale]

No it is not false. You do not need to be a teacher to teach.

Definition of TEACH

to cause to know something; to cause to know how; to accustom to some action or attitude… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

2: to guide the studies of

3: to impart the knowledge of

She was imparting knowledge (albeit false knowledge) to group of students... i.e. she was teaching them
QED!
The End


Indeed, and I was accurate--- FACTUALLY accurate as to the only facts that really matter, being, what happened in that classroom.

Unfortunately, some of the people here are more interested in quibbling over minutiae, arguing over how many angels can fit on the head of the pin, rather than engaging in substantive discussion about facts and evidence.


So there is nothing to learn in a political meeting? Got it.


Promoting anti-Semitic lies at place of higher learning is NEVER acceptable under and cicumstances not matter how you might like to turture the facts to suit your personal opinion. As the president of the University correctly stated...

“Freedom of speech and academic freedom are fundamental to university life, but they can never be misused as a shield for hatred."


That you pointedly chose not to address or acknowledge my rebuttals of the other points you stated is noted!

Since I haven't heard the full talk the truth or not of whether she was promoting hatred or not is something I can not comment on, I suspect you haven't heard the full unedited version either? Since this thread is about how editing can change the meaning of what is said I think we are both in danger of making assumptions in the absence of the full facts.

In the quotes I have seen she clearly says that there was a claim following the murder of a monk that Jews put gentile blood in their bread; she never said that was true, and clearly said it was a claim at the time. She also clearly told people to check facts for themselves. That the 'blood libel' claim was made at the time is a historical fact; she did not say that it was true nor that it still occurs. Mentioning the 'blood libel' in a historic context is not anti-semitic.

Are political meetings teaching? Is any time anyone expresses an opinion teaching? I think you are now being pedantic. Many things happen on University premises that are not educational (or at least not in a formal sense, a friend had her parents visit her in her first year at college, only to have them point out the room she was conceived in, educational?)

I am sure that those who support the present right wing Israel government agenda and particularly those (including some who post here) with an anti-palestinian / greater Israel agenda will find things to object to. Disagreeing with a person's view of middle east politics should not be equated with anti-semitism.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Some time next week

US President Donald Trump has said he will take legal action against the BBC over how his speech was edited by Panorama, after the corporation apologised but refused to compensate him.

Speaking to reporters on board Air Force One on Friday evening, Trump said: "We'll sue them for anywhere between $1bn [£759m] and $5bn, probably sometime next week."

"I think I have to do it," Trump told reporters of his plan to take legal action. "They cheated. They changed the words coming out of my mouth."

Trump says he will sue BBC for at least $1bn over Panorama edit

The US president confirmed he intends to sue the broadcaster for at least $1bn over the Panorama edit of a 2021 speech.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[catsmate]

Yet you're still here. Crying about it.

More whining. And quoting unsupported Telegraph stories as if they prove something.

 

[catsmate]

Do you have a right-wing source to back that up? I won't believe it unless the Telegraph tells me so.

Or the Jerusalem Post.
Or Hayom.....

 

[catsmate]

Have a listen to what this woman has to say.... This is Natasha Hausdorff, a Jewish lawyer and director of a charitable trust (UKLFI). She gives a first-hand account of her dealings with BBC management and editorial staff.

Ah, you've found another far-right source to parrot.

For those unfamiliar with these ◊◊◊◊◊, UK Lawyers for Israel is a group sponsored and funded by the Israeli government, specialising in supporting and defending the indefensible actions of the Israeli government.
They specialise in 'paper terrorism' and SLAPPery, making spurious legal threats against anyone who supports Palestinian rights or objects to (or indeed dares to publicise) the murderous rampage of the Israeli government and it's tools. Currently the organisation and many members (including Hausdorff) are under investigation by the Solicitors Regulation Authority.

 

[zooterkin]

Some time next week

US President Donald Trump has said he will take legal action against the BBC over how his speech was edited by Panorama, after the corporation apologised but refused to compensate him.

Speaking to reporters on board Air Force One on Friday evening, Trump said: "We'll sue them for anywhere between $1bn [£759m] and $5bn, probably sometime next week."

"I think I have to do it," Trump told reporters of his plan to take legal action. "They cheated. They changed the words coming out of my mouth."

Trump says he will sue BBC for at least $1bn over Panorama edit

The US president confirmed he intends to sue the broadcaster for at least $1bn over the Panorama edit of a 2021 speech.

www.bbc.co.uk

Trump lies; pictures at 11.

 

[smartcooky]

Ah, you've found another far-right source to parrot.

For those unfamiliar with these ◊◊◊◊◊, UK Lawyers for Israel is a group sponsored and funded by the Israeli government, specialising in supporting and defending the indefensible actions of the Israeli government.
They specialise in 'paper terrorism' and SLAPPery, making spurious legal threats against anyone who supports Palestinian rights or objects to (or indeed dares to publicise) the murderous rampage of the Israeli government and it's tools. Currently the organisation and many members (including Hausdorff) are under investigation by the Solicitors Regulation Authority.

Shooting the messenger while ignoring the message as usual.
Nice to know that you think defending yourself and retaliating against terrorists and murderers is '"indefensible". One might almost come to the conclusion that you approve of Hamas' actions on October 7, 2023?

 

[Andy_Ross]

Liz Truss
@trussliz
I and many other Brits are cheering Trump on.

The BBC is the epitome of what has gone wrong with Britain

https://twitter.com/x/status/1989684895744979060

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Liz Truss
@trussliz
I and many other Brits are cheering Trump on.

The BBC is the epitome of what has gone wrong with Britain

https://twitter.com/x/status/1989684895744979060

Oh well, if Mary Truss is cheering him on then he's definitely going to win....

 

[catsmate]

Shooting the messenger while ignoring the message as usual.

No. Pointing out that your "messenger" is a bought and paid for propagandist with a history of lying isn't ignoring the message.

Nice to know that you think defending yourself and retaliating against terrorists and murderers is '"indefensible".

Oh, putting words in others' mouths again.

And killing two hundred thousand people is fine to you...

One might almost come to the conclusion that you approve of Hamas' actions on October 7, 2023?

Strawmannery. Rather what I'd expect from you.

I note, with no surprise, that you haven't addressed the actions of UK Lawyers for Israel and their terroristic actions.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Oh well, if Mary Truss is cheering him on then he's definitely going to win....

Yes, a former Prime Minister begging a foreign leader to take down one of the last great British institutions.

 

[smartcooky]

No. Pointing out that your "messenger" is a bought and paid for propagandist with a history of lying isn't ignoring the message.

But you've ignored it anyway

Oh, putting words in others' mouths again.

I'm not responsible for how you express your opinions.

And killing two hundred thousand people is fine to you...

No its not, but that hasn't happened, that is Hamas propaganda, which you apparently believe uncritically. The real figure is orders of magnitude lower, and many of those deaths are a direct result of Hamas using their own civilians as human shields.

Strawmannery. Rather what I'd expect from you.

Its not strawmannery, its a reasonable conclusion drawn from your stated position.
If you oppose a nation defending itself from terrorists, then you place yourself on the side if those terrorists.

I note, with no surprise, that you haven't addressed the actions of UK Lawyers for Israel and their terroristic actions.

You havent provided any evidence of these alleged "terroristic actions" other than your own bluster and unsupported assertions, so there is nothing to address.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Another Tory Quisling


Suella Braverman
@SuellaBraverman
President Trump has been slandered by the BBC. Whether intentional or accidental, the damage is significant.

President Trump is right to sue the BBC.
It’s the only way things will change.

 

[catsmate]

Liz Truss
@trussliz
I and many other Brits are cheering Trump on.

The BBC is the epitome of what has gone wrong with Britain

https://twitter.com/x/status/1989684895744979060

Isn't that some form of treason?

 

[catsmate]

But you've ignored it anyway

Sigh. No actually I haven't. I've examined it, dismissed it and pointed out to the forum that, as usual, you're citing dubious sources with a habit of lying.

I'm not responsible for how you express your opinions.

I didn't express any opinion remotely resembling that which you attributed to me. You are being dishonest. Again.

No its not, but that hasn't happened, that is Hamas propaganda, which you apparently believe uncritically.

Actually that figure comes from the IDF.

Its not strawmannery, its a reasonable conclusion drawn from your stated position.

No it's not even remotely reasonable. But you have demonstrated a distinct lack of interest in what might be considered 'reasonable'.
Again.

If you oppose a nation defending itself from terrorists, then you place yourself on the side if those terrorists.

Sigh. No, just no. Reasonable force is a concept you should look at. Mass murder, deliberate starvation and population cleansing in the name of lebensraum for the Kookites isn't reasonable.

You havent provided any evidence of these alleged "terroristic actions" other than your own bluster and unsupported assertions, so there is nothing to address.

You could look at the complaint the SRA.....

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Yes, a former Prime Minister begging a foreign leader to take down one of the last great British institutions.

Makes a change from the person hoping to be the next Prime Minister anyway.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Quislings everywhere
It's always the ones you most expect

Dan Wootton
@danwootton
SEISMIC BREAKING NEWS FOR THE BBC
Donald Trump has just confirmed on Air Force One that he WILL sue the British Bashing Corporation for $1 BILLION TO $5 BILLION.
The deadline has passed and it’s on.
Drag the lying scumbags, POTUS.