Merged Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University event. / Charlie Kirk Shot And Killed
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Elsewhere I said that I think the Rapture has happened and all the godly Christians have ascended into the sky. Which says something to those Rapture believers who haven't got to heaven.
Emily's Cat
Rarely prone to hissy-fits
Are you just unable to understand the impact of your own words?
You're revelling and hoping for people to get angry along political lines. You're expressing joyful expectation about watching those you've deemed to be political opponents being upset, and you're effectively communicating that their pain and anger is your objective. It's not that you don't care about Kirk - it's that you actively WANT to see other people be hurt and angered.
For all intents, this is you egging on further political schism, and looking forward to continuing escalation.
Emily's Cat
Rarely prone to hissy-fits
What do you think constitutes hatred in this context?
For example... do you think that female citizens wanting to have penis-free spaces where they're naked or vulnerable is hatred? Do you think that females wishing to have the right to refuse to consent to seeing a stranger's dick in a female shower is hatred? Do you think females objecting to being forced to share prison cells with fully intact males is hatred?
Emily's Cat
Rarely prone to hissy-fits
Are there any white females in political position that you think don't have the brain power that the job should merit? Any white males? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Rep. Mace and Pres. Trump would both qualify.
Did Kirk say they shouldn't have rights? Which rights?
I think it's sexist bigotry to insist that males who claim to have transgender identities should have the right to override female boundaries.
lobosrul5
Philosopher
Uh he's said gay people should be stoned to death, and we should just "take care of" trans people like back in the day. Which I suppose means police or vigilantes disappearing them into shallow graves.
You can use google if you want.
I suppose thats just as bad as a woman seeing a penis in a shower though in your world.
Emily's Cat
Rarely prone to hissy-fits
Well, I can find the first clip. I can also see that Kirk wasn't advocating for gay people to be stoned to death, but was pointing out ways in which bible verses can be cherry picked to support someone's views. I can also find clips of Kirk quite ardently defending gay people being republicans. Consider this snopes article outlining the claim that Kirk supported gay people being stoned to death:
Charlie Kirk didn't say gay people should be stoned to death
The Turning Point USA co-founder and conservative commentator was fatally shot while speaking at a Utah college.
www.snopes.com
I can't find a clip of the claim for transgender stuff. The closest I can find is someone else talking about it, and saying that it wasn't mafia-esque "take care of wink-wink-nudge-nudge" but rather advocating much more comprehensive mental health care for people in an effort to bring them into alignment with their bodies.
I've got to ask, have you actually watched anything more than curated snippets of Kirk's debates?
Prior to this event, I'd seen maybe a handful of clips from debates on college campuses. Kirk certainly mocked a lot of liberal views, usually by challenging why students held certain views, and whether or not they could support their assertions. Kirk held views I disagree with, definitely, but I hadn't seen anything that was actually hateful or that supported or advocated for violent - nothing that seemed to align with what people were saying about how evil and sexist and racist Kirk was, how they incited violence and was a white supremacist. And I still haven't managed to find anything that actually supports those claims. I can find plenty of pretty traditional christian views - which isn't at all surprising, given that Kirk was pretty openly and staunchly christian. But I can't find anything that actually supports the view that they were a hateful evil person who deserved to be killed for the greater good.
Nice to know you think that male exhibitionism is a-okay and females should just stfu and know their place, I guess.
Seriously - why do you think that any male should have the right-by-law to expose their genitals to non-consenting females?
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plague311
Great minds think...
*sigh*
pfffhahahahahaha this is the biggest load of ◊◊◊◊. I was mocking the fact that the left will do nothing and that will irritate the hell out of the right. You're literally making my ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ point for me right now.
I never said I wanted any of it to happen, I was foreshadowing that it would happen and expressing excitement at watching it happen. You need to up your "playing the victim" game, it's weak. Really weak.
For all intents, you haven't any clue what you're talking about and have shown repeated issues interpreting what I'm saying.
Take it to the ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ thread.
Why does this matter? I'm not the one using my platform to blast out my views to anyone that will listen. I am not the one specifically naming only women of color DEI hires, and insulting their intelligence despite them achieving more, academically, than me.
By the way, I ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ love how easily your "feminism" mask slips. You have no issue defending a man that's insulting qualified, intelligent, successful women while that man is dragging them down, but you're a real ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ feminist, eh? About as much as you are a "moderate", amiright?
Here you are trying to back me into a corner just to try and justify this degenerate ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊'s view on women. Classic feminism.
Again, not relevant. There are unqualified people on both sides of the aisle, of every color, and every background. The fact you can't see the point I'm making here just makes it all the more comical.
You go ahead and go out on that limb. Kirk labeled those women as DEI hires when they clearly weren't.
He specifically compared doctors who perform gender-affirming care to Nazi's, and if I remember correctly, you specifically have railed against the left calling people on the right Nazi's, correct? That contributes to the increased temp of the US, right? Look behind you before you backpedal, ok?
What you do and don't think about bigotry means so little to me. I don't think it means much to you either.
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P.J. Denyer
Penultimate Amazing
Not your argument, but building off what you say.. Do you not have shower cubicals in America? I mean seriously now much time do you spend naked with strangers because my answer is 'zero'?
plague311
Great minds think...
Same here, none. Then again, I don't go to a public gym, I have all that stuff in my house. I can't think of a single time in the last 25 years (I'm 44 and marched in Drum Corps where we traveled and had to shower together) that I've been naked with unknown people in the bathroom.
It's like "stop, drop, and roll". Given the intensity of the way it was taught I seriously thought I'd be on fire more often.
novaphile
Quester of Doglets
It was once fairly common in American media to see 'showers' where groups of people shower in the same room, at schools, jails, prisons, gyms, locker rooms etc.
I have read somewhere, that design was created to prevent people from engaging in sexual activity in shower cubicles.
That trend/phase is probably now considered historical, with most (if not all) modern facilities having separate shower cubicles.
Having said that, it is still very common for a person to get changed before and after the shower, in a communal area, and that requires some nudity.
As a result of cycling to work for decades, I saw many of my colleagues naked, because the shower cubicles were much too small to allow any dressing/undressing. People walked to and from the showers nude.
I have also personally used military facilities, here in Australia, which had no shower or toilet cubicles.
(Hopefully that is now also a thing of the past.)
I have listened to women at work complaining about the blatant exhibitionism of some of their female colleagues in the locker room, with the worst example being a colleague who would sit naked on a bench while trimming her toenails, which resulted in her 'ham sandwich' being on display to all in the room. (Note that a lot of the disapprobation was about the toenail trimming rather than just about the nudity.)
In case people are wondering why all the 'activity' in the locker room at work, members would arrive at work in civilian clothes, and change into their uniforms before commencing duty.
Because 'the job' requires reasonably high levels of physical fitness, many would walk, run or ride to work, and/or work out before their days starts, resulting in a reasonable percentage showering at work before getting changed. (NB. Our gym was physically co-located with the locker rooms, with direct entry to the locker rooms/showers/etc. directly from the gym, as well as from the opposite end of the facilities.)
lobosrul5
Philosopher
I see, so yes, you would rather trans people be murdered than see a penis in a locker room.Well, I can find the first clip. I can also see that Kirk wasn't advocating for gay people to be stoned to death, but was pointing out ways in which bible verses can be cherry picked to support someone's views. I can also find clips of Kirk quite ardently defending gay people being republicans. Consider this snopes article outlining the claim that Kirk supported gay people being stoned to death:
And also consider this clip of Kirk telling someone that denying gay people from being republicans is neither christian nor conservative:Charlie Kirk didn't say gay people should be stoned to death
The Turning Point USA co-founder and conservative commentator was fatally shot while speaking at a Utah college.
I can't find a clip of the claim for transgender stuff. The closest I can find is someone else talking about it, and saying that it wasn't mafia-esque "take care of wink-wink-nudge-nudge" but rather advocating much more comprehensive mental health care for people in an effort to bring them into alignment with their bodies.
I've got to ask, have you actually watched anything more than curated snippets of Kirk's debates?
Prior to this event, I'd seen maybe a handful of clips from debates on college campuses. Kirk certainly mocked a lot of liberal views, usually by challenging why students held certain views, and whether or not they could support their assertions. Kirk held views I disagree with, definitely, but I hadn't seen anything that was actually hateful or that supported or advocated for violent - nothing that seemed to align with what people were saying about how evil and sexist and racist Kirk was, how they incited violence and was a white supremacist. And I still haven't managed to find anything that actually supports those claims. I can find plenty of pretty traditional christian views - which isn't at all surprising, given that Kirk was pretty openly and staunchly christian. But I can't find anything that actually supports the view that they were a hateful evil person who deserved to be killed for the greater good.
Nice to know you think that male exhibitionism is a-okay and females should just stfu and know their place, I guess.
Seriously - why do you think that any male should have the right-by-law to expose their genitals to non-consenting females?
(see i can play the game you do as well)
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Dr.Sid
Philosopher
Jesus stop that nonsense.
Pardon me, but my first exposure to the modern shower cubicle was
in Amsterdam, in a b&b, ca. 5-6 years ago.* Good lord, what luxury!
You could throw a small party in there! 3 showerers? No problem. 5? Fun!
7 might require some adjustments in the definition of personal space.
I've only mentioned odd numbers, because of course I goddamn, let's not
pursue this topic further it's nobody's biz go on get outa yeah
* Since then I've started staying in higher scale places in the US, and I'm
quite pleased to see the imagination on display bt People of Shower..
in Amsterdam, in a b&b, ca. 5-6 years ago.* Good lord, what luxury!
You could throw a small party in there! 3 showerers? No problem. 5? Fun!
7 might require some adjustments in the definition of personal space.
I've only mentioned odd numbers, because of course I goddamn, let's not
pursue this topic further it's nobody's biz go on get outa yeah
* Since then I've started staying in higher scale places in the US, and I'm
quite pleased to see the imagination on display bt People of Shower..
TragicMonkey
Poisoned Waffles
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
True, but you might consider the following
1. The shooter has/had a transgender roommate/"girlfriend" so the topic is bound to come up, and
2. If you have an issue with that subject being discussed here, you might want to take it up with those who brought up the topic in he first place... and that's not @Emily's Cat @Brainster @theprestige @Ziggurat or me, or any of the centre-left to right-leaning posters in this thread.
Emily's Cat
Rarely prone to hissy-fits
Translation... I've had the luxury of not having to be in the places where this happens and never having had it happen to me, so obviously nobody else could possibly have had that experience so it totally must just be hate.
MarkCorrigan
Героям слава!
It isn't just this specific post but That Thread is leaking containment again and the usual suspects are getting on their hobbyhorse and firing up the ol' monomania. I understand that some discussion of the shooter having a trans roommate and what that might have done for their worldview on trans rights might well come up as part of the thread but this isn't Transwomen Aren't Women 2 Electric Boogaloo.
That by the way was the wording of the report I sent to get the off topic discussion about penises in the shower out of this thread which is not about that.
theprestige
Penultimate Amazing
Meanwhile, I've been thinking it's like neo Nazis and the Holocaust: Hitler didn't do it, but if he did it was a good thing. Likewise, progressives want to split the difference between it wasn't one of theirs murdered Charlie Kirk, but if it was, it's a good thing they did.