Merged Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University event. / Charlie Kirk Shot And Killed

[johnny karate]

No idea how many left-wing ideas one has to adopt in order to be considered left-wing overall and don't really care to speculate on that.

Let’s start with even one confirmed left-wing idea we know Robinson believed. Just one.

On the specific cultural issues of transgender acceptance and gender exploration more generally, I think we can reasonably conclude that Kirk was coming from the right and Robinson from the left.

We have zero confirmed evidence that he was affiliated with any leftist politics, or politics of any kind.

If what we’ve heard about Robinson is true and the speculation about his motive is correct, he murdered Kirk because of a personal relationship with a trans person not because of his political beliefs about trans acceptance.

Personal and political beliefs can often be in contradiction to one another, or more accurately, people often betray aspects of their political ideology for personal reasons.

In short, that Robinson was in a relationship with a trans person and murdered Kirk because of it tells us nothing about Robinson’s politics.

 

[Beelzebuddy]

No idea how many left-wing ideas one has to adopt in order to be considered left-wing overall and don't really care to speculate on that.

On the specific cultural issues of transgender acceptance and gender exploration more generally, I think we can reasonably conclude that Kirk was coming from the right and Robinson from the left.

"One drop" is the traditional term used by those with similar outlooks.

 

[sinnikal]

And that there is yer major problem with paracetamol (speaking as one who had 2 patients just this side of needing a liver transplant from paracetamol ODs); I'd make the stuff prescription only.

We had several of those episodes with our daughter. Eventually she managed to do something more certain.
I'm as over it as I ever will be, but she was so beautiful but very, very ill from the age of !4. We loved her so much.
She was bi-polar with some borderline personality mixed in.
She was very distressed by it. She managed to get to 42 - a long time for someone so ill. My wife's father was schizophrenic, her aunt was Bipolar and her uncle was undiagnosed but the craziest of the family. Played with explosives and firearms crazy. Fortunately my wife seems to have missed out on all that.
Had her family told my wife of the family history we wouldn't have had children, but I guess that was stuff not talked about by that generation.

I feel very let down by CAMHS when she was that age and as an adult the help was either absent or pretty poor.
I miss her.

Sorry to derail, I just needed to get that out after i was, what do they say ... oh triggered by CFK's post.
Bye.

 

[pgwenthold]

No idea how many left-wing ideas one has to adopt in order to be considered left-wing overall and don't really care to speculate on that.

On the specific cultural issues of transgender acceptance and gender exploration more generally, I think we can reasonably conclude that Kirk was coming from the right and Robinson from the left.

Are you confirming, you don't think right wingers can have trans friends? In order to be right wing, you have to shun and condemn trans people?

 

[d4m10n]

Let’s start with even one confirmed left-wing idea we know Robinson believed.

Trans furries deserve to be loved rather than mocked.

We have zero confirmed evidence that he was affiliated with any leftist politics, or politics of any kind.

Opposing Kirk's hatred is a political stance, inasmuch as Kirk's hatred was entirely politicized.

If what we’ve heard about Robinson is true and the speculation about his motive is correct, he murdered Kirk because of a personal relationship with a trans person not because of his political beliefs about trans acceptance.

Trying to remember whether it was the right or the left which coined "The personal is political."

In short, that Robinson was in a relationship with a trans person and murdered Kirk because of it tells us nothing about Robinson’s politics.

The idea that hate speech should be considered violence and opposed with violence is an inherently political idea.

 

[d4m10n]

In order to be right wing, you have to shun and condemn trans people?

In order to be a Kirk fan, you have to accept that he wanted us to shun and condemn trans people.

Not going to comment on the collection of beliefs which makes one "right wing" overall, any more than I'd do that for the left.

 

[d4m10n]

"One drop" is the traditional term used by those with similar outlooks.

Crazy to me that people want to compare sex with race, given that only one of those classification schemes can be scientifically justified.

 

[dirtywick]

No idea how many left-wing ideas one has to adopt in order to be considered left-wing overall and don't really care to speculate on that.

On the specific cultural issues of transgender acceptance and gender exploration more generally, I think we can reasonably conclude that Kirk was coming from the right and Robinson from the left.

perhaps. but it seems insignificant if he maybe had some views that would generally coincide with the left as opposed to being indoctrinated by leftist ideology. at some point you’ve drifted so far away from his act being a politically motivated assassination by an extremist, and we were probably there a week ago

 

[Jack by the hedge]

No idea how many left-wing ideas one has to adopt in order to be considered left-wing overall and don't really care to speculate on that.

On the specific cultural issues of transgender acceptance and gender exploration more generally, I think we can reasonably conclude that Kirk was coming from the right and Robinson from the left.

I suppose it depends what you mean by 'coming from' the left and right.

Sure, there's a basket of attitudes you would expect someone on the left to be positive towards and another basket for someone on the right, but expecting, for example, a right-winger to be in favour of gun rights isn't the same thing as expecting someone in favour of gun rights to be a right-winger. Or, as here, expecting a left-winger to be in favour of trans rights isn't the same thing as expecting someone in favour of trans rights to be a left-winger.

The idea of an archetype wasp-ish conservative evangelical Christian doesn't mean that right wing Jews or Catholics aren't really right wing. There isn't some coherent ideal set of beliefs and values that make someone perfectly left or right.

I think that, if this murder was indeed him lashing out at hate expressed for people like his trans lover, it would be a mistake to presume that resentment was in itself a left-wing view, let alone that it meant he would share other left wing views.

Not that I'm trying to claim he was one or the other. I just don't think it's safe to say if he felt like this about that issue then he was on the same general side as people who as a group are typically expected to conform to that view.

 

[sackett]

I'm tickled by the way the bullet refused to exit Kirk's body. "Yes, I am only a lump of lead and copper, and I remain humble. But I found my blesséd repose within the holy flesh of the martyr! and there I resolved to remain, souded in sanctity! Until that meddling doctor dug me out and ruined everything. I hate
doctors. You should too."

 

[Carrot Flower King]

We had several of those episodes with our daughter. Eventually she managed to do something more certain.
I'm as over it as I ever will be, but she was so beautiful but very, very ill from the age of !4. We loved her so much.
She was bi-polar with some borderline personality mixed in.
She was very distressed by it. She managed to get to 42 - a long time for someone so ill. My wife's father was schizophrenic, her aunt was Bipolar and her uncle was undiagnosed but the craziest of the family. Played with explosives and firearms crazy. Fortunately my wife seems to have missed out on all that.
Had her family told my wife of the family history we wouldn't have had children, but I guess that was stuff not talked about by that generation.

I feel very let down by CAMHS when she was that age and as an adult the help was either absent or pretty poor.
I miss her.

Sorry to derail, I just needed to get that out after i was, what do they say ... oh triggered by CFK's post.
Bye.

I remember your tragic experiences from discussions elsewhere and they do not shine a good light on some of my erstwhile colleagues in other parts of the country.

Best wishes to you and DDB, as ever.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

I'm going to start a Relic business selling the magical bullet retrieved from the autopsy.
Only one per customer.

 

[plague311]

Yay for escalating political division and sowing hatred between people, it's just the very bestest!

No idea what the actual ◊◊◊◊ you're talking about here, but that's par for the course.

I wasn't escalating anything. In fact, not giving a ◊◊◊◊ the funeral is happening is the antithesis of escalating. Your comment here escalated it more than anything I've done or promoted.

I see that "the left" didn't even need to show up since it appears "the right" trashed the entire area themselves.

 

[johnny karate]

Trans furries deserve to be loved rather than mocked.

The overlap between Groypers and the trans community has already been addressed in this thread. It's complex because people are more complex than political ideologies, and there certainly doesn't exist this bright line delineating political ideology based on how someone feels about trans people.

Regardless, you are still committing the fallacy of assuming that anyone who isn't on the left is automatically a bigot, to which I'm sure some of our conservative forum members would take umbrage.

Opposing Kirk's hatred is a political stance, inasmuch as Kirk's hatred was entirely politicized.

Rephrasing your assertion doesn't make it more true.

Trying to remember whether it was the right or the left which coined "The personal is political."

Rephrasing your assertion and attributing it to a hazy memory of a thing you heard someone else say doesn't make it more true.

The idea that hate speech should be considered violence and opposed with violence is an inherently political idea.

Rephrasing your assertion doesn't make it more true.

I'll repeat the fact that you are dancing around: There exists zero confirmed evidence that Robinson was affiliated with leftist politics, or any politics.

 

[d4m10n]

at some point you’ve drifted so far away from his act being a politically motivated assassination by an extremist

Silencing someone because of their political speech is a politically motivated act; the extremist label attaches on account of the method used.

he maybe had some views that would generally coincide with the left as opposed to being indoctrinated by leftist ideology

No idea whether Robinson was indoctrinated by 'leftist ideology' or not, perhaps he arrived at his conclusions on his own.

…there's a basket of attitudes you would expect someone on the left to be positive towards and another basket for someone on the right, but expecting, for example, a right-winger to be in favour of gun rights isn't the same thing as expecting someone in favour of gun rights to be a right-winger. Or, as here, expecting a left-winger to be in favour of trans rights isn't the same thing as expecting someone in favour of trans rights to be a left-winger.

Agreed on all points, but we're also allowed to do Bayesian thinking here. If someone is in favor of a view which is vanishingly rare on one side, that affects the posterior probability that they are on that side.

I think that, if this murder was indeed him lashing out at hate expressed for people like his trans lover, it would be a mistake to presume that resentment was in itself a left-wing view...

Does "Protect The Dolls" strike you as a left-wing idea or a politically neutral or right-wing one?

I've only ever heard it from the left, but perhaps I'm mistaken in thinking that it's one of their memes.

 

[d4m10n]

The overlap between Groypers and the trans community has already been addressed in this thread.

Anyone care to bet on whether Robinson has any connection whatsoever to those folks?

I'll give you 5-to-1 odds.

 

[plague311]

Silencing someone because of their political speech is a politically motivated act; the extremist label attaches on account of the method used.

Why is hating trans people political speech? Sounds like run-of-the-mill bigotry to me...or is that what you're saying? Are you saying that trans bigotry is a political stance of the right-wing?

 

[Foster Zygote]

Does anybody fall for this kind of crap?!





MAGA Bot Farm Charlie Kirk PSYOP Is DEEPLY DISTURBING (Secular Talk on YouTube, Sep 23, 2025 - 6:45 min.)

"Erik" forgot to mention that he'd been a lifelong devout atheist, but after only a handful of Charlie Kirk videos he realized how wrong he was and accepted Jesus Christ as his lord and savior. Not to mention that he threw away all his Beyoncé albums and now listens exclusively to Lee Greenwood.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Does "Protect The Dolls" strike you as a left-wing idea or a politically neutral or right-wing one?

I've only ever heard it from the left, but perhaps I'm mistaken in thinking that it's one of their memes.

To be perfectly honest with you I literally never came across anyone saying "protect the dolls" and I haven't the slightest idea what it means.

 

[plague311]

To be perfectly honest with you I literally never came across anyone saying "protect the dolls" and I haven't the slightest idea what it means.

You and I both, what the hell does that mean?