Merged Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University event. / Charlie Kirk Shot And Killed

I Am The Scum said:
You ever notice how funny it is that every single time someone tries to make this argument, they protest the implications without addressing the facts? Maybe these people should change the facts if they don't like the sound of the truth.

If Republicans don't want the calories, they should stop eating the cake.
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yeah i can’t imagine being upset about being credibly warned about the right’s increasingly fascist behavior. now that they’re running around with secret police grabbing anyone the wrong shade of brown and building prison camps surrounded by alligators to hold them, it’s like, you need to figure out why thats what bothers you about this situation on your own.


JimOfAllTrades said:
Reading about it now it sure seems to be, and I was completely ignorant of all of it until the last day or two. And I've made my living in computers for 40 years, played computer games, spend a fair amount of time in various on-line places, and watch some gaming commentary. And yet I had no idea. I can't imagine how out of that loop your basic middle class mormon family would be,
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long story short, they all have a dad shaped hole in their heart they try and fill with andrew tate and nick fuentes and the like imo
 
arthwollipot said:
In 1985 the Republican party was quite different from what it is now.
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In 1985 the Democratic party was quite different from what it is now.

Neither of those sentences is particularly useful, nor is either of them a justification for the current level of invective and hate-mongering going on in the US, fueled and made worse by foreigners fanning the flames.
 
We are going to destroy the organised terrorist networks.

Stephen Miller: “We are going to channel all the anger we have over the organized campaign to led to this assassination to uproot and dismantle these terrorist networks … The organized doxxing campaigns. The organized riots. The organized street violence. The organized of dehumanization. Vilification. Posting people’s addresses. Combining that with messaging designed to trigger and incite violence and the actual organized cells that carry out and facilitate the violence. It is a vast domestic terror movement. With God and as my witness, we are going to use every resource we have at the Department of Justice, Homeland Security and throughout this government to identify, disrupt, dismantle and destroy these networks, and make America safe again for the American people. It will happen, and we will do it in Charlie’s name.”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1967644960917778911
 
JimOfAllTrades said:
And being anti-fascist shouldn't be a left or right thing. It's a decent people thing.
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Technically true. On the other hand, over the last couple of decades it's been pretty consistently far left progressives who label anyone and everyone even marginally conservative as a fascist, and use that errantly applied label to justify riots, attacks, harassment, and intimidation in service to "antifascism". Most of the time, the targets of those far left activists aren't actually fascist in any reasonable sense of the word.

Honestly, it's as idiotic as tea partiers calling Obama a communist, and the religious right calling pro-choice people baby-killers.
 
Andy_Ross said:
We are going to destroy the organised terrorist networks.

Stephen Miller: “We are going to channel all the anger we have over the organized campaign to led to this assassination to uproot and dismantle these terrorist networks … The organized doxxing campaigns. The organized riots. The organized street violence. The organized of dehumanization. Vilification. Posting people’s addresses. Combining that with messaging designed to trigger and incite violence and the actual organized cells that carry out and facilitate the violence. It is a vast domestic terror movement. With God and as my witness, we are going to use every resource we have at the Department of Justice, Homeland Security and throughout this government to identify, disrupt, dismantle and destroy these networks, and make America safe again for the American people. It will happen, and we will do it in Charlie’s name.”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1967644960917778911
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yeah but the left
 
The Great Zaganza said:
What makes a left Wing ideology less likely, IMO, is the lack of any reference to the Gaza conflict - Kirk was very explicitly pro Israel no matter what.
It is unlikely that he spent a lot of time with Leftists, online or in RL, without the subject coming up.
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Somehow you seem to have missed that a whole lot of Democrats and leftists are Jewish, and that views on the Israel/Palestine/Entire-Middle-East conflict aren't easily simplified to one part or another.
 
Emily's Cat said:
Somehow you seem to have missed that a whole lot of Democrats and leftists are Jewish, and that views on the Israel/Palestine/Entire-Middle-East conflict aren't easily simplified to one part or another.
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you seem to have missed that the shooter was a Mormon and from a Republican family, never registered as Democrat, never voted as far as we can tell. Unlikely that he had a lot of contact with Jewish Democrats in Utah.
But I am sure Patel will find them whether they exist or not.
 
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NM156 said:
OK, but the highlighted is objectively the truth.
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No, it ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ isn't! Progressive rhetoric has twisted the term so far out from reality that it means nothing more than "isn't a progressive". It's absolutely insane. It's just as insane as tea partiers calling liberals communists - it distorts the meaning of the term beyond all recognition. All you're left with is "those people are evil, everyone should hate them, and they're so evil that violence against them is justified".

It's stupid, inflammatory, short-sighted, and childish.

FFS, do you WANT a civil war?
 
Andy_Ross said:
We are going to destroy the organised terrorist networks.

Stephen Miller: “We are going to channel all the anger we have over the organized campaign to led to this assassination to uproot and dismantle these terrorist networks … The organized doxxing campaigns. The organized riots. The organized street violence. The organized of dehumanization. Vilification. Posting people’s addresses. Combining that with messaging designed to trigger and incite violence and the actual organized cells that carry out and facilitate the violence. It is a vast domestic terror movement. With God and as my witness, we are going to use every resource we have at the Department of Justice, Homeland Security and throughout this government to identify, disrupt, dismantle and destroy these networks, and make America safe again for the American people. It will happen, and we will do it in Charlie’s name.”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1967644960917778911
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Turning Point? Donald 'Jan 6th' Trump? Count Dorkula's going after them?
 
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I Am The Scum said:
You ever notice how funny it is that every single time someone tries to make this argument, they protest the implications without addressing the facts? Maybe these people should change the facts if they don't like the sound of the truth.

If Republicans don't want the calories, they should stop eating the cake.
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Well, I guess you get some internet points for advocating political violence and civil war. Congratulations, you.
 
jimbob said:
It wasn't good politics but I think subsequent events have showed that a lot of Trump supporters are antidemocratic misogynistic racists, which I think is pretty deplorable.
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"Oh, it wasn't good to say... but really they're super duper evil"

If you tell everyone, especially youth, for over a decade that those people are evil nazis who want to kill us all, and we need to stop it, what the ◊◊◊◊ do you think is going to happen?
 
Emily's Cat said:
I'm on the fence on this. Over the past 50 years, more actual violence has been committed by right wing extremists than by left wing extremists. But the sentiment about the acceptability of political violence has been shifting over the past couple of decades, and shifting pretty significantly. Liberals (especially those who consider themselves very liberal) have a higher tolerance for political violence than conservatives do, and young people do as well.
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Ummm, what?

Where exactly is your evidence that "liberals have a higher tolerance for political violence"? You'll have to show your work on that.

Given the fact that the REPUBLICAN president of the united states talks about going to "war" with American cities, pardoned the January 6 terrorists, posted a video of himself "symbolically" beating up members of the media, and mocked an attack against the family of a democratic member of congress, and he STILL has overwhelming support within the republican party, I find it hard to believe that it is the Liberals who are most cool with political violence.
Trump is a detestably human. That said, both political houses are ◊◊◊◊◊◊ up and fanning the flames of civil unrest and I'm not okay with it. Don't ignore the rhetoric and dehumanization coming from your own party - the only way to calm this down is for ALL of us to speak out against politicians and partisans engaging in narratives that incent violence, AND call out media for amping it up.
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The majority of the negative rhetoric and "dehumanization" comes from the right wing. They use terms like "libtards" and "snowflakes". And unlike the political left (where such rhetoric seems to be centered on your average citizen/voter), in the case of the republicans such rhetoric goes through the entire core of the republican party, from the garden variety MAGAchud living in his mother's basement posting fan fiction about Trump, right to the party leaders.

Claiming that it is "both sides" that are "fanning the flames of civil unrest" is like saying both Charles Manson and your local jay walker were both "engaged in illegal behavior". While technically true, one side clearly has a greater amount of culpability.

Heck, just look at this shooting... a right-wing celebrity gets killed, and the MAGAchud initially go nuts, talking about a war with Liberals. When the truth comes out that the shooter may not have been the "left wing extremist" that they initially imagined him to be, significant numbers of Trump supporters are STILL trying to push their agenda... "he got radicalized at university" (despite the fact that he dropped out after a semester, from a university that was not known for being a hotbed of left wing thought), "his family said he was left wing" (despite no direct evidence what his exact politics were), etc.
 
Andy_Ross said:
We are going to destroy the organised terrorist networks.

Stephen Miller: “We are going to channel all the anger we have over the organized campaign to led to this assassination to uproot and dismantle these terrorist networks … The organized doxxing campaigns. The organized riots. The organized street violence. The organized of dehumanization. Vilification. Posting people’s addresses. Combining that with messaging designed to trigger and incite violence and the actual organized cells that carry out and facilitate the violence. It is a vast domestic terror movement. With God and as my witness, we are going to use every resource we have at the Department of Justice, Homeland Security and throughout this government to identify, disrupt, dismantle and destroy these networks, and make America safe again for the American people. It will happen, and we will do it in Charlie’s name.”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1967644960917778911
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The mind boggles, the heart weeps, and the soul withers. And I don't even believe in souls.

That this kind of person is helping to run our government is incredibly sad to me. I'm lefty, I admit it. A bleeding heart liberal, whatever you want to call it. But I think this country has, despite having committed some serious atrocities, tried to be on the side of peace and democracy, and has tried to be a part of "the great experiment". There have been many tremendous ◊◊◊◊ ups (slavery, genocides, secret wars, etc.), many instances of two steps forward one step back. But despite it all I think there's something here worth saving and working on. Then I see stuff like this and I think the fascists have actually won. We may be ◊◊◊◊◊◊.

This post may better belong a general politics thread, if so, move it or delete it. I'm losing the will to care.

eta: I'm not sure how, but I'm going to try to step up my activism. Probably won't make much difference, can't hurt.
 
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Emily's Cat said:
Hooray you, fanning the flames of civil war and blocking every opportunity to behave like reasoned adults.
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So we behave like reasoned adults while the fascists take control of everything?

Watch the video from Miller I just posted or the post from Abbott arresting people for using their freedom of speech.
 
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Emily's Cat said:
"Oh, it wasn't good to say... but really they're super duper evil"

If you tell everyone, especially youth, for over a decade that those people are evil nazis who want to kill us all, and we need to stop it, what the ◊◊◊◊ do you think is going to happen?
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umm... that those youth will grow up recognizing just what ass-hats the republican party actually is?

Here is the thing... I never considered Bush to be pro-fascist. (Heck, I even defended him on occasion.) Yes, he was flawed and made mistakes, but never got the idea that he was trying to wreck the united states.

I consider Trump to be pro-fascist because THAT IS WHAT HE IS DOING. He is deploying masked "soldiers" (ICE agents) on American streets, regularly ignoring oversight by the courts, and pushing violent actions against perceived enemies. Calling them out for actions they are actually doing should not be thought of as a "bad thing".
 
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