Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

theprestige said:
Mental disorders should be treated, not enabled.

Do you think gender dysphoria is a mental disorder that needs to be treated?
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The decision to treat them is not mine to make, but they are treated by medically changing their bodies.
 
Ziggurat said:
I asked you before what rule you want. I don't recall you anwering.
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As I pointed out earlier, there are an infinite number of possibilities between the extremes of anyone can ID as trans and transwomen are men. Declaring one extreme to be too hard and unworkable doesn't mean we have to default to the other extreme.

In sports I think the decisions should be left to sports professionals and not politicians. It turns out sports leagues have already been making rules about trans-athletes for years without my help. I trust them to continue doing this.

I also think participation in sports should be available to all kids. Especially kids who might otherwise be isolated and marginalized.
 
Rolfe said:
No, there really, really isn't.
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Non-binary gender attributes don't demonstrate gender is more complex than a binary male-female?

Say it many times with lot's of exclamation points and be sure to include some pejoratives to make your argument as strong as possible.
 
Thermal said:
I don't. I am paraphrasing literally every female I am close enough to talk about this with, including my kids and wife and her friends and our families.

I really am finding it harder to understand the couple of vocal posters here who are screaming out a very different perspective (while claiming it is representative) than literally every other female I see anywhere.
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Where does the British public stand on transgender rights in 2024/25? | YouGov

Scepticism towards transgender rights has grown across the board since 2022
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Elaedith said:
I see. You think people who don't want to risk being targeted the way Bailey was (which included activists posting pictures of his young children on line with pornographic captions suggesting that he sexually abused them and they 'get off on it') is a 'sniveling coward'. Nice to know.
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I agree that Dr Bailey and his family were targeted and harassed, and intensely so, and did not deserve it. That does not mean the trans community controls the world (including for some reason the SPLC).
Elaedith said:
Of course Bailey and others have published work since then. You just haven't bothered to read it.
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Correct. Haven't seen any reason to pursue them. Time is limited, and their postulates seem silly. You mentioned a great silly one earlier, that transwomen who were attracted to women must have AGP.
Elaedith said:
I keep saying it because it's true.
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Ok!
 
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Mycroft said:
Non-binary gender attributes don't demonstrate gender is more complex than a binary male-female?

Say it many times with lot's of exclamation points and be sure to include some pejoratives to make your argument as strong as possible.
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You do understand that people who identify as non-binary are all in fact biologically either male or female? Non-binary is an ideological position that says biological sex doesn't exist but is socially constructed to oppress people.
 
Mycroft said:
Non-binary gender attributes don't demonstrate gender is more complex than a binary male-female?

Say it many times with lot's of exclamation points and be sure to include some pejoratives to make your argument as strong as possible.
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Gender is a load of made-up bollocks. Or an important property of nouns in grammar. Being male or female is about which sex you are and it is entirely dependent on your chromosomes and what sort of reproductive tract these chromosomes have produced.
 
Mycroft said:
I also think participation in sports should be available to all kids. Especially kids who might otherwise be isolated and marginalized.
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Sports participation should be available to all children. This is achieved by having boys' and girls' events and each child competing in the appropriate event according to their sex. The sex encoded in their genes.
 
Emily's Cat said:
What exactly does "socially women" mean? What makes me or Rolfe or Elaedith or any other female "socially women"?
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? If I were to meet you or Rolfe or Elaedith, I would probably have no interaction with your genitalia or a chromosomal analysis. For all I know, you could be men. Or robots. I wouldn't know, because our interaction would be solely based on your social presentation.
 
You don't seriously believe that, do you?

People are able to correctly sex other human beings quicker than they register what race they are. Babies have been shown to be able to do it in the first weeks of life.
 
Mycroft said:
The decision to treat them is not mine to make,
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Public policy is yours to think about and contribute your views to. That's what being a citizen in a representative government means.
Mycroft said:
but they are treated by medically changing their bodies.
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Are they, though? One thing I've discovered over the years of examining this issue is that there isn't much research supporting medical transition as an effective, ethical treatment for gender dysphoria - especially in minor children.

And there's pretty much no research at all on whether social transition (preferred pronouns, fiat self-ID, etc.) actually treats anything.

We've just been taking it for granted, for years now, that the science is settled and that what is being done is known-good, ethical medicine. It turns out the science is far from settled, and there's a disturbing amount of ideological capture and anti-science attitude, among the scientific and medical institutions we've been trusting to get this stuff right.
 
Thermal said:
? If I were to meet you or Rolfe or Elaedith, I would probably have no interaction with your genitalia or a chromosomal analysis. For all I know, you could be men. Or robots. I wouldn't know, because our interaction would be solely based on your social presentation.
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What "social presentation" is specific to women?
 
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