Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

Of course people are cowed by trans activists when activists can destroy people's lives and careers with impunity. Do you think I could just choose to start doing research on AGP and as long as I 'follow the evidence where it leads' everything will be fine?
Yes, I believe you could do exactly that, yes. Maybe not 'fine'. If your findings were explosive, surely you would take some flak. But contrary to your implication, scientists aren't all sniveling cowards. Some are quite bold, and I don't believe that a single one has not surfaced in the decades that the three musketeers work has been out there... while they themselves come up with not a shred of evidence either.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Ya you keep saying this, while adjusting your tin foil hat. Good talk.
 
.... transwomen are still males.
Exactly.
I can't tell you how much I loathe males declaring what females should have to tolerate, with no consideration for female's views at all.
As much as I loathe women declaring men are lecherous if we get an erection or look in an appraisingly fashion at an attractive woman. Do women think an erection is achieved by command?
 
Of course people are cowed by trans activists when activists can destroy people's lives and careers with impunity. Do you think I could just choose to start doing research on AGP and as long as I 'follow the evidence where it leads' everything will be fine? You have no idea what you are talking about.
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Posting this again for people like Thermal and Mycroft who haven't caught up with that happens in reality when you dare to challenge TRAs

This is a partial list of academics who have been targeted by outrage mobs and other academics for expressing ideas. Their consequences for speaking scientific truth have ranged from being fired, having papers retracted for no reason, deplatforming and ruination of their careers to threats of violence and death.​
Colin Wright, an evolutionary biologist.​
Driven out of academia by an Twitter outrage mob for arguing in favour of a scientific truth, namely, that there are only two biological human sexes.​
Dr. Kathleen Stock OBE.​
Denounced and targeted as a “transphobe” by over 700 of her academic colleagues for the crime of advocating Gender Critical viewpoints, specifically that transwomen should be excluded from places like women’s locker rooms and shelters, and rape crisis centres, as well as for calling for an end to the assocation between UK universities and Stonewall.​
Professor Selina Todd, history professor at Oxford University’s St. Hilda College.​
Targeted by a Twitter outrage mob who had her "no-platformed" by the Oxford International Women's Festival, at which she had been due to speak. The event's organisers told her the decision was due to pressure from trans activists. Apparently, she had the temerity to state that there is a need for women-only spaces because of past violence against women by natural born males. She had to be given security because some of those nice, cuddly, inoffensive people that a number of posters here love to support, made threats of physcial violence agianst her.​
Professor Nathaniel Hiers of the College of North Texas.​
Fired for calling microaggressions “garbage”. A lawsuit is ongoing against the College and Department Chair for violation of his rights to speech and academic freedom.​
Professor Kathleen Lowery.​
Removed from her position as Associate Chair for Academic Programs in the Department of Anthropology at the University of Alberta. Her crime? She expressed her disgreement with the idea that biological sex is irrelevant. She said that housing trans-identified men in women’s prisons is not fair to women prisoners and puts women at risk.​
Laura Tanner, graduate student in Feminist Studies, UCSB.​
Attacked by the outrage mob in an attempt to remove her from campus and teaching, because she stated the scientific and biological facts that there are only two biological sexes, and that a man can never become a woman.​
Stephen Gliske, Neuroscientist, UMich.​
Targeted for presenting a proposing a new theory of gender dysphoria that offended some trans activists and their academic sychophants.​
Linda Gottfredson, Psychology, University of Delaware​
Disinvited from a conference in Sweden for presenting research showing that there are group differences in average IQ test scores and for reviewing research showing that intelligence is heritable. In fact, intelligence is indeed heritable to some extent, but apparently, saying so triggered some snowflakes in Swedish academia.​
Lisa Littman, MD & behavioral scientist, Brown U​
Fired from a consulting position because her paper on “Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria” butthurt a few transgender activists, professionals, and academics.​
Now this is just a tiny selection of the thousands of academics who have been fired, lost positions, been forced to retract papers, and received threats of violence and death because they dared to challenge the Holy Creed of the Gender Ideology Cult.​
Academia is supposed to be a marketplace where ideas, no matter how controversial, are freely exchanged and debated with vigour. But it is rapidly becoming an echo chamber for trendy left liberal prgressives, a place where any dissent must be stamped on, and those who dissent crushed along with it.​
 
Ya I think you may have fallen behind in the discussion a bit.

In the US state I live, we have every legal access for transpeople imaginable, right down to high school locker room showers, which I thought would be a line never to be crossed. Apparently we crossed that Rubicon many years ago, and... nothing happened.

I had asked my wife about transwomen in rest rooms, and she said you see one once in a while, but who cares? A friend of hers goes to a gym called Planet Fitness, where there are a couple transwomen regularly in the locker room. Nothing happens.

And if you get tempted to whine about anecdotal evidence, you might recall that's all the tweets you post amount to.

All y'all's tranny freak sexual fantasies aren't happening. People seem to be far better than you imagine, and can conduct themselves normally.
For someone who has decried other’s cherry-picking, this anecdote is hilarious. Nothing happens in your’s wife experience, so nothing happens. Do you actually read what you post?
 
As much as I loathe women declaring men are lecherous if we get an erection or look in an appraisingly fashion at an attractive woman. Do women think an erection is achieved by command?

Did anyone here do that? However, natural male responses like that are yet another reason why we don't want men in our single-sex spaces. These spaces are the only respite we have when in public from the chance of this happening near us.
 
Do you think body dysmorphia is biological?
I assume most mental health issues have a biological component, that isn't definitive in a lot of cases. I wouldn't be surprised if some people have a genetic or biological predisposition to body dysmorphia, even if environmental factors mean the condition doesn't always manifest in everyone who has the predisposition.

The important thing for me - for the arguments I'm making and the policies I advocate - is that it doesn't really matter if the source of the dysmorphia is biological.
 
Psychopathic people exist. Do you think we should normalize psychopathy?
Because trans people harm other people the same way the current Psychopath in Chief is harming the world right now? :confused:
Is that the message???
 
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Posting this again for people like Thermal and Mycroft who haven't caught up with that happens in reality when you dare to challenge TRAs

This is a partial list of academics who have been targeted by outrage mobs and other academics for expressing ideas. Their consequences for speaking scientific truth have ranged from being fired, having papers retracted for no reason, deplatforming and ruination of their careers to threats of violence and death.​
Colin Wright, an evolutionary biologist.​
Driven out of academia by an Twitter outrage mob for arguing in favour of a scientific truth, namely, that there are only two biological human sexes.​
Dr. Kathleen Stock OBE.​
Denounced and targeted as a “transphobe” by over 700 of her academic colleagues for the crime of advocating Gender Critical viewpoints, specifically that transwomen should be excluded from places like women’s locker rooms and shelters, and rape crisis centres, as well as for calling for an end to the assocation between UK universities and Stonewall.​
Professor Selina Todd, history professor at Oxford University’s St. Hilda College.​
Targeted by a Twitter outrage mob who had her "no-platformed" by the Oxford International Women's Festival, at which she had been due to speak. The event's organisers told her the decision was due to pressure from trans activists. Apparently, she had the temerity to state that there is a need for women-only spaces because of past violence against women by natural born males. She had to be given security because some of those nice, cuddly, inoffensive people that a number of posters here love to support, made threats of physcial violence agianst her.​
Professor Nathaniel Hiers of the College of North Texas.​
Fired for calling microaggressions “garbage”. A lawsuit is ongoing against the College and Department Chair for violation of his rights to speech and academic freedom.​
Professor Kathleen Lowery.​
Removed from her position as Associate Chair for Academic Programs in the Department of Anthropology at the University of Alberta. Her crime? She expressed her disgreement with the idea that biological sex is irrelevant. She said that housing trans-identified men in women’s prisons is not fair to women prisoners and puts women at risk.​
Laura Tanner, graduate student in Feminist Studies, UCSB.​
Attacked by the outrage mob in an attempt to remove her from campus and teaching, because she stated the scientific and biological facts that there are only two biological sexes, and that a man can never become a woman.​
Stephen Gliske, Neuroscientist, UMich.​
Targeted for presenting a proposing a new theory of gender dysphoria that offended some trans activists and their academic sychophants.​
Linda Gottfredson, Psychology, University of Delaware​
Disinvited from a conference in Sweden for presenting research showing that there are group differences in average IQ test scores and for reviewing research showing that intelligence is heritable. In fact, intelligence is indeed heritable to some extent, but apparently, saying so triggered some snowflakes in Swedish academia.​
Lisa Littman, MD & behavioral scientist, Brown U​
Fired from a consulting position because her paper on “Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria” butthurt a few transgender activists, professionals, and academics.​
Now this is just a tiny selection of the thousands of academics who have been fired, lost positions, been forced to retract papers, and received threats of violence and death because they dared to challenge the Holy Creed of the Gender Ideology Cult.​
Academia is supposed to be a marketplace where ideas, no matter how controversial, are freely exchanged and debated with vigour. But it is rapidly becoming an echo chamber for trendy left liberal prgressives, a place where any dissent must be stamped on, and those who dissent crushed along with it.​
It's shocking that you don't see the obvious parallels, here.

During the Civil Rights Era, whole towns and police forces fought against integration and the rights of black Americans. The good guys didn't back down from the fight.

Guess which side you are on in this?
 
Do you think body dysmorphia is biological?
What difference does that make? For the sake of argument, let's assume it is. So what? That doesn't make someone with body dysmorphia have a different body than the one they actually have. A feeling of being female, even if that feeling has some biological origin, isn't what makes one female. Just like schizophrenia doesn't make the voices that one hears anything other than a hallucination, even though there are biological origins to schizophrenia. If there are biological origins to anorexia, the feeling that the anorexic is fat still wouldn't mean that they are actually fat. That's not how any of this works.

I can't believe I have to spell this out for you.
 
Yes, I believe you could do exactly that, yes. Maybe not 'fine'. If your findings were explosive, surely you would take some flak. But contrary to your implication, scientists aren't all sniveling cowards. Some are quite bold, and I don't believe that a single one has not surfaced in the decades that the three musketeers work has been out there... while they themselves come up with not a shred of evidence either.
I see. You think people who don't want to risk being targeted the way Bailey was (which included activists posting pictures of his young children on line with pornographic captions suggesting that he sexually abused them and they 'get off on it') is a 'sniveling coward'. Nice to know.

Of course Bailey and others have published work since then. You just haven't bothered to read it.


Ya you keep saying this, while adjusting your tin foil hat. Good talk.
I keep saying it because it's true.
 
During the Civil Rights Era, whole towns and police forces fought against integration and the rights of black Americans.
Do you think the differences between men and women are merely skin deep, much like those between European Americans and African Americans?

Do you think an historically oppressed group (females) demanding separate spaces and leagues is comparable to an historically oppressive group (Europeans and their descendants) forcibly placing other ethnic groups in separate spaces?
 
No, they do not. Homosexuals exist. But trans-people are created by knives, needles, thread, and laboratory chemicals.

Trans people are not normal or natural. They can be tolerated and accepted ..... but they can never be "normalized".
Ah, Jesus here we go...
 
I can't tell you how much I loathe males declaring what females should have to tolerate, with no consideration for female's views at all.
As much as I loathe women declaring men are lecherous if we get an erection or look in an appraisingly fashion at an attractive woman. Do women think an erection is achieved by command?

Did anyone here do that?
"Here"? Is that your question? Or are you saying that what I've described is fantasy?
However, natural male responses like that
Like what? My response to yours? Take a deep breath and think about what you are saying.
..... yet another reason why we don't want men in our single-sex spaces. These spaces are the only respite we have when in public from the chance of this happening near us.
Do you understand what you've just done? Now you compel me to tell you that lavatories have "always" been shared by both men and women in Japan and in Belgium without any problem. I didn't want to bring that up but your above statement leaves me no choice.
 
"Here"? Is that your question? Or are you saying that what I've described is fantasy?

Like what? My response to yours? Take a deep breath and think about what you are saying.

Do you understand what you've just done? Now you compel me to tell you that lavatories have "always" been shared by both men and women in Japan and in Belgium without any problem. I didn't want to bring that up but your above statement leaves me no choice.

So we all have to do what Japan and Belgium do? Why not compel Japan and Belgium to do what we do? That's not any sort of argument.

Take a deep breath and understand that women know perfectly well the sort of involuntary responses a male body is subject to, and also the strong impulses which might be resisted but often aren't. Nobody is blaming you for that, we just don't want the possibility of you doing that anywhere near us while we're dealing with a menstrual accident or an underwear malfunction.
 
It's shocking that you don't see the obvious parallels, here.

During the Civil Rights Era, whole towns and police forces fought against integration and the rights of black Americans. The good guys didn't back down from the fight.

Guess which side you are on in this?
Of course, as expected, you dodged the issue.
Quelle surprise!
 
What difference does that make? For the sake of argument, let's assume it is. So what?

It's evidence there is more to being male/female than just chromosomes and geneltalia.

I can't believe I have to tell you that.

Have you become a trumper?
 

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