9/11: The Smoking Gun

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Why?
No doubt the link was fine when you posted it, or at least security software that was current at the time gave no warnings, so you did nothing wrong.
It is entirely possible that the content you linked to has been changed. Such happens all the time. The internet is not hewn in granite.
I think we all have realized the perils of following links, and learned how to cope with them, more than 20 years ago (or learned it early in school, if you are younger).

That fonebone would throw a tantrum might indicate merely that he doesn't understand how the internet works. Which would go a long way to explaining why he still buys into conspiracy theories.

At this point they can be called Conspiracy Lies, not theories.

 

[beachnut]

Once again, the enemies of truth and justice have employed dirty and underhanded tactics in an attempt to impede or scuttle the 9-11 truth-seekers.

That is funny...


Truth is, truth seekers have no clue what simile is (WRT explosions, like or sounded like)

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

That is funny...


Truth is, truth seekers have no clue what simile is (WRT explosions, like or sounded like)

This gun is Smoking at the bottom of the Ocean from a Barrel that has long since Rusted Away.

 

[Allen773]

Once again, the enemies of truth and justice have employed dirty and underhanded tactics in an attempt to impede or scuttle the 9-11 truth-seekers.

Yes, the Saudi government isn’t pleasant, and the Kingdom definitely hasn’t been entirely forthcoming about its historic support for Islamist terrorists like al-Qaeda.

That’s who you’re talking about, yes?






…Oh wait, no, you’re still going on about controlled demolitions and other ignorant Truther crap that’s been disproven time and time again over the past 23 years and counting. Embarrassing!

 

[Fonebone]

Bump :Addressed to Yankee451
Greetings Yankee - Fonebone here.
Your "smoking Gun " thread is one year and a few days old and the views are approaching twenty five thousand. Time for an update if you have uncovered
additional evidence. Thanks -Fonebone

Second bump- one year later--
Hey yankee, your OP requires attention.
The one or two twoofers left on the forum deserve an update. Bic?

 

[TJM]

Yankee done yanking.

 

[Fonebone]

It's a shame, because I really wanted Yankee451 and fonebone to discuss their respective theories with each other. Could have been interesting.

I agree Cosmic
It appears Yankee has jumped ship ... mox nix, we really don't need to hear yankee's
views to continue the thread, We can instead glean his evidence that he submitted in
his video what he supplied in his opening OP.

Evidence submitted from yankee;s OP
Don't let yankee's defection kill the thread.

Maybe we can enlist an AI bot that can articulate yankee's POV as a surrogate.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

I agree Cosmic
It appears Yankee has jumped ship ... mox nix, we really don't need to hear yankee's
views to continue the thread, We can instead glean his evidence that he submitted in
his video what he supplied in his opening OP.

Evidence submitted from yankee;s OP
Don't let yankee's defection kill the thread.

Maybe we can enlist an AI bot that can articulate yankee's POV as a surrogate.

All we ever had from Yankee451 was some diagrams that looked like they had been done by a 5-year-old, and a whole lot of bluster and shouting. I don't really see the need to engage an AI bot to continue this. Indeed, I don't see the need to continue to spend any time at all on these mad fantasies.
You seem to have forgotten, too, that Yankee451 was trying to raise money to build a replica plane wing, which he was going to smash into a replica skyscraper, to prove his notions (they don't deserve to be called theories). You'd think, after all this time, that he could have done this by now. All this 'truthseeker' stuff is just LARPing. None of you guys really believe this stuff: it's just posturing. If you really did believe it, you wouldn't be posting about it on a public forum. Instead, you'd be living off-grid, in the wilderness, away from Teh Ebil Gubmint you pretend to believe is trying to kill us all. Similarly, if Y451 actually believed he could expose a huge and murderous plot, he would have done it by now.

 

[Fonebone]

reformatted my post #151 above for legibility.

Maybe it was a missile designed to fly without wings!
I think Yankee is correct on one point and incorrect on a second point. The evidence indicates a cruise missile struck each WTC tower at a near perfect perpendicular angle in the X axis and created the center circular round 767 fuselage scars. The explosion of the cruise missile created the circular hole. The payload of the missile, Napalm II, created the JP4 fireball illusion. The fireball also served to camouflage the the two projectiles that created the plane wing scars seconds after the cruise missile impacts/explosions.
A separate projectile struck the exterior column structure at an extreme oblique angle to create the illusion of a left wing impact. A second projectile, also launched at an extreme oblique angle' from slightly higher position was used to create the illusion of a right wing impact on both WTC towers. In both towers the left wing impact outline was elevated from left to right indicating the projectile.
that created the impact scar illusion was launched from a position lower than the missile that was camouflaged as a Boeing 767 creating the center round hole of the cruise missile. The combination of the cruise missile in the center and the two separate projectiles from oblique angles created the illusion of the aircraft complete with a pseudo dihedral appearance. Modern cruise missiles, circa 2001, had a target precision accuracy of several meters allowing the two projectile firing platforms that created the aircraft wing scar illusions could be pre-positioned beforehand
Both WTC tower strikes were carefully staged and executed illusions that formed the basis of the Psyops

 

[theprestige]

reformatted my post #151 above for legibility.

Why not just fly a plane into the building, if that's what you want people to believe?

 

[Axxman300]

Why not just fly a plane into the building, if that's what you want people to believe?

That would have been too easy. The actual 9-11 Al Qaeda conspiracy worked because it was simple. Everything else that happened was in response to the attacks.

 

[ozeco41]

That would have been too easy. The actual 9-11 Al Qaeda conspiracy worked because it was simple. Everything else that happened was in response to the attacks.

It was classic military "KISS" - keep it simple, stupid.

I was, still am, a retired engineer with both civil and military qualification.

I saw the WTC collapse event reported as "breaking news" on BBC TV when in Wales on a holiday tour.

Two ten second video "grabs". One of plane impact followed by one of building collapse.

I was relaxing in civil mindset and, over about 30-40 seconds my thoughts stepped through (1) Wow, what fabulous movie special effects; (2) Faeces ** - it's real. (3) More faeces** oh you evil b******ds...

Then my callous military brain took over. (4) Oh you clever evil b *****ds. (5) What a brilliantly novel way to demolish a tall building (6) I'll remember that method just in case some General tasks me to demolish a high rise. No need for explosives or hours of preparatory on site work. Just one large aircraft.

I looked at the evidence at that time. One plane flies into tower. Tower collapses. Causality prima facie obvious. I forgot about it until mid 2007 when a colleague asked my opinion about the "controlled demolition" of the WTC Towers. I laughed before I realised he was serious. I had been the City Engineer of the town, he was son-in-law of the Mayor. For reasons of progressional credibility in the town my response had to be professional standard.

Some months later I discovered "Internet Forums" and several years of interesting forensic physics challenge. At the time, 2007, two sides were emerging - "Truthers" and "Debunkers". And I was to discover that both sides were wrong on the engineering.

Back to the main topic. Flying a plane into a tower is elegantly simple. ALL of the fake alternate claims are more complicated. Most of them not practically achievable. The easiest way to make a plane shaped hole in a thin walled tower is - wait for it - fly a plane into the tower.
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** Not the actual word I used.

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[Axxman300]

Back to the main topic. Flying a plane into a tower is elegantly simple. ALL of the fake alternate claims are more complicated. Most of them not practically achievable. The easiest way to make a plane shaped hole in a thin walled tower is - wait for it - fly a plane into the tower.

I've mentioned this before, but in the 1990s my friend and I toyed with the idea of starting a private security company that assessed risk from strong armed robbery, and acts of terrorism. We practiced casing building of all kinds; banks, government offices, hospitals, and business parks up in Silicon Valley. After the shock of 9-11 wore off, my friend and I got together and marveled at Al Qaeda's ingenuity. Just looking at the strike on a professional level it was a thing of beauty. A 767 with a full load of fuel, and a team willing to die to reach the objective? I will take that any day, especially against the WTC and Pentagon. In 2001, nobody was going to shoot you down until after the second plane has done its job.

9-11, from a operational perspective, was perfect.

And the payoff for Al Qaeda has been beyond their wildest dreams. Sucked the United States into three wars. Costs in the trillions of dollars. Political polarization within the US leading to a marked decline in quality political leadership in the White House, and both houses of Congress. 9-11 has done more damage to the United States than a dozen nuclear warheads. And all in slow motion.

 

[ozeco41]

After the shock of 9-11 wore off, my friend and I got together and marveled at Al Qaeda's ingenuity. Just looking at the strike on a professional level it was a thing of beauty. A 767 with a full load of fuel, and a team willing to die to reach the objective?

Hence my 'military brain's' assessment. A well conceived and well executed operation.

I will take that any day, especially against the WTC and Pentagon. In 2001, nobody was going to shoot you down until after the second plane has done its job.

Most of the shoot down debate missed two big factors that were critical - would be critical to any legitimate decision to 'shoot down'.

(1) First. There was no 'window of (legitimate) opportunity' in the real time frame. As you say the first possible time for such a decision was 2nd plane impact.

(2) Second. The decision had to be mostly based on 'lives likely lost either way'. So the passengers and crew do not count. They lose either way. Nor do lives already lost in the Towers. And neither do projected lives to be lost in the collapses of the Towers because there was no expectation of collapse in the critical window of opportunity. So that argument fails due to 20-20 hindsight error. Civilian lives lost, co-lateral damage, from the crashing plane - unpredictable since it could not be on the streets of NYC - those to planes already crashed. And, if civilian lives were lost consequent on 'shoot down' the political backlash - domestic and international - would be massive. ( Yes. An understatement.)

9-11, from a operational perspective, was perfect.

Yes.

And the payoff for Al Qaeda has been beyond their wildest dreams. Sucked the United States into three wars. Costs in the trillions of dollars. Political polarization within the US leading to a marked decline in quality political leadership in the White House, and both houses of Congress. 9-11 has done more damage to the United States than a dozen nuclear warheads. And all in slow motion.

Yes. a significant factor - adding to the combination of factors - underpinning the internal US political moves to destroy US Governance/Rule of Law.

 

[dudalb]

It has been 25 years, and the conspiracy theorists have still not found a smoking gun that will bear any kind of examination.