Luton Airport Car Park Fire

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Vixen said:
Of course it did. But the media are keeping it quiet, aren't they? Leaving people on Twitter to guess the licence plate and look it up on DVLA.
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No, the media have reported that it was a diesel vehicle.

But why didn't they tell us the make, model and license plate number, so we could find out who the owners were and harass them? Huh? Why didn't they???

Obviously 'they' are trying to hide something... :rolleyes:
 
Roger Ramjets said:
No, the media have reported that it was a diesel vehicle.

But why didn't they tell us the make, model and license plate number, so we could find out who the owners were and harass them? Huh? Why didn't they???

Obviously 'they' are trying to hide something... :rolleyes:
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I'm sure everyone who's lost a car in the fire & has been inconvenienced and doesn't feel satisfied with the payout from their insurer, ie EVERYONE who's lost a car in the fire, will be nothing but sympathetic.
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
I ruled out an EV fire based on the video, of the fire, it's not possible for that to be a Lithium fire, too cold and not the right behavior for a Lithium fire. Looks like a Diesel Fuel fire.
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But several expert YouTube commenters have proved that it couldn't be a diesel fire because diesel flames are black. Also diesel flames never come out of the bottom of the vehicle, only the top. :rolleyes:

What worries me about this incident is that according to statistics an EV could cause a fire like this. Much less likely, but still possible. And when it does happen it will be confirmation (in the misinformed Luddite public's minds) that EVs are dangerous and should be avoided at all costs.

That's why it's important that we have this dialog now, to hammer it into people's minds that EVs are not more dangerous than gas cars and are not something to fear. This message has to get out loud and clear while we have the chance, before something like this happens where an EV starting it cannot be explicitly ruled out.

Statistics say it will happen sooner or later. Eventually EVs will dominate and then the number of EVs catching fire will skyrocket. When every car is an EV, only EVs will catch fire! Imagine how loud the Luddites will be screaming then! :mad:
 
Roger Ramjets said:
No, the media have reported that it was a diesel vehicle.

But why didn't they tell us the make, model and license plate number, so we could find out who the owners were and harass them? Huh? Why didn't they???

Obviously 'they' are trying to hide something... :rolleyes:
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It's always funny to see conspiracy theorists acting as though experts should be taking their crackpot suspicions with the utmost seriousness. Like when flat earthers ask why NASA isn't spending huge sums of money to send dedicated satellites specifically to take photos of other satellites in orbit to prove that the earth isn't covered by a dome.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
I'm sure everyone who's lost a car in the fire & has been inconvenienced and doesn't feel satisfied with the payout from their insurer, ie EVERYONE who's lost a car in the fire, will be nothing but sympathetic.
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You're being sarcastic, I hope.

Whoever is responsible for this must be feeling pretty scared right now. If the Luddites find out who they are then who knows what they might do? At the very least we can expect massive online and possibly physical harassment, which is bad enough in itself. But we know from other cases where conspiracy theorists have gone off the deep end that it could get far worse. Therefore the anonymity of the vehicle owner(s) must be preserved.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
You're being sarcastic, I hope.
Whoever is responsible for this must be feeling pretty scared right now. If the Luddites find out who they are then who knows what they might do? At the very least we can expect massive online and possibly physical harassment, which is bad enough in itself. But we know from other cases where conspiracy theorists have gone off the deep end that it could get far worse. Therefore the anonymity of the vehicle owner(s) must be preserved.
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Very much so.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
But several expert YouTube commenters have proved that it couldn't be a diesel fire because diesel flames are black. Also diesel flames never come out of the bottom of the vehicle, only the top. :rolleyes:
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Which make it even more amusing to me that the several Li-ion fires I've recently watched on YouTube have started with them suddenly spewing a large volume of thick, black smoke, followed by an explosion that, in a couple of cases, blew the windows out of their frames. And those two were just laptop batteries.

I've also watched several diesel and petrol vehicle fires that start out remarkably like the short video clip we got from the bystander. Diesel may need a higher temperature to ignite, and may not have the frightening stoichiometry of gasoline when exposed to air, but it will still burn like a mother-****** once it's ignited. I don't know why anyone would think that diesels are somehow fire safe.

"Trust your own eyes" seems to be about on par with "do your own research", in that those saying as much probably haven't seen or researched anything themselves.
 
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Roger Ramjets said:
But several expert YouTube commenters have proved that it couldn't be a diesel fire because diesel flames are black. Also diesel flames never come out of the bottom of the vehicle, only the top. :rolleyes:
What worries me about this incident is that according to statistics an EV could cause a fire like this. Much less likely, but still possible. And when it does happen it will be confirmation (in the misinformed Luddite public's minds) that EVs are dangerous and should be avoided at all costs.

That's why it's important that we have this dialog now, to hammer it into people's minds that EVs are not more dangerous than gas cars and are not something to fear. This message has to get out loud and clear while we have the chance, before something like this happens where an EV starting it cannot be explicitly ruled out.

Statistics say it will happen sooner or later. Eventually EVs will dominate and then the number of EVs catching fire will skyrocket. When every car is an EV, only EVs will catch fire! Imagine how loud the Luddites will be screaming then! :mad:
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These "expert youtubers" seem to think that diesel fuel was the only thing burning. Extinguish the fuel fire and the auto will be fine and ready for the owner to drive away.
 
Foster Zygote said:
It's always funny to see conspiracy theorists acting as though experts should be taking their crackpot suspicions with the utmost seriousness. Like when flat earthers ask why NASA isn't spending huge sums of money to send dedicated satellites specifically to take photos of other satellites in orbit to prove that the earth isn't covered by a dome.
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It's because they don't realise or can't admit just how nutter butters they are.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
But several expert YouTube commenters have proved that it couldn't be a diesel fire because diesel flames are black. Also diesel flames never come out of the bottom of the vehicle, only the top. :rolleyes:

What worries me about this incident is that according to statistics an EV could cause a fire like this. Much less likely, but still possible. And when it does happen it will be confirmation (in the misinformed Luddite public's minds) that EVs are dangerous and should be avoided at all costs.

That's why it's important that we have this dialog now, to hammer it into people's minds that EVs are not more dangerous than gas cars and are not something to fear. This message has to get out loud and clear while we have the chance, before something like this happens where an EV starting it cannot be explicitly ruled out.

Statistics say it will happen sooner or later. Eventually EVs will dominate and then the number of EVs catching fire will skyrocket. When every car is an EV, only EVs will catch fire! Imagine how loud the Luddites will be screaming then! :mad:
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Well who am I to disagree with the experts on you tube,
Now back to my hot dog roast from 300 ft away.
https://youtu.be/JUuWz2pf4ZQ?si=GQ-WW9-Hh9rsbV7Z
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Can you explain exactly what you think is 'codswallop' about the Full Fact article's claim to have been told by the fire brigade that the car was a diesel?
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The codswallop bit is claiming that this is the final word in the matter because Full Fact says so....three days after the fire. Full Fact in this case was hoist by its own petard.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
She just hasn't caught up with herself yet. She's six steps behind herself. She's telling us about how many weeks it took to establish the precise cause of a particular car catching fire in Cork, while simultaneously telling us what we have been repeatedly telling her; that identifying the model of car involved is the issue and whatever reason it caught fire is not the issue.
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We have been told that the car is not an EV ('it is believed') but a derv.

That doesn't rule out a diesel hybrid.

So if the car turns out to have been a hybrid or a full EV, then that is the Beds Fire Chief lying by omission. He has obviously been told what he can and cannot say.
 
Foster Zygote said:
Maybe you could step up to the chalkboard and show the rest of the class exactly where it was I did that? Ironically, you are attributing to me something I have not actually said. We all know that you'll maintain a careful position of "just asking questions" so as to avoid ever having to defend the ideas you are simply presenting as "interesting". It's not like we haven't all seen that tactic played out a few thousand times on this forum.


You are really bad at this. What part of "we're talking about the type of vehicle in which the fire started, not what caused the fire" do you not understand? Maybe an investigation of the wrecked Land Rover will point to a source for the fire. But it's quite likely that the needed evidence was destroyed in the fire. If it was worn electrical insulation, or a stuck caliper, or a dropped cigar etcetera, the evidence was most likely destroyed in the fire. That doesn't matter to this discussion because what's being argued is whether the vehicle had a Li-ion battery, and the fire investigators have stated that it did not.


You can't even keep track of the argument from post to post, let alone get out ahead of anyone.
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How can they know on day one, when the CCTV cameras likely melted very quickly and they'd have to await forensic experts to pinpoint the exact cause.

Hold that thought and let's see whether a lithium battery is involved or not when confirmation comes through.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
No, the media have reported that it was a diesel vehicle.

But why didn't they tell us the make, model and license plate number, so we could find out who the owners were and harass them? Huh? Why didn't they???

Obviously 'they' are trying to hide something... :rolleyes:
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It points to a police investigation, does it not?
 
Roger Ramjets said:
You're being sarcastic, I hope.

Whoever is responsible for this must be feeling pretty scared right now. If the Luddites find out who they are then who knows what they might do? At the very least we can expect massive online and possibly physical harassment, which is bad enough in itself. But we know from other cases where conspiracy theorists have gone off the deep end that it could get far worse. Therefore the anonymity of the vehicle owner(s) must be preserved.
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Nonsense. If the driver drove his vehicle into the car park whilst knowing it to be on fire then that is grossly irresponsible, likewise if he had some kind of electrical modifications that he could reasonably realised to have been the likely cause then why would he or she be entitled to anonymity. It is a miracle that no-one was killed. Breathing in the fumes of a lithium type fire is likewise extremely dangerous. Four firefighters had to be hospitalised with smoke inhalation plus an airport worker.

These guys are trained to put out heavy duty airport fires, such as on aircraft when landing, so you can be sure there is good reason they kept well away from the building once the smoke inhalation overcame them.

It is in the public interest to know the make and model of the car. We don't need to know the driver's identity but the public have a right to know of the circumstances that potentially put lives at risk.
 
Vixen said:
We have been told that the car is not an EV ('it is believed') but a derv.

That doesn't rule out a diesel hybrid.

So if the car turns out to have been a hybrid or a full EV, then that is the Beds Fire Chief lying by omission. He has obviously been told what he can and cannot say.
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Would you stop lying, please?
But this is not the case. The local fire brigade, Bedfordshire Fire & Rescue Service, confirmed to Full Fact that the initial vehicle involved in the fire was a diesel, not a hybrid.
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