The Bible is a Human Artifice!!!

Leumas said:
Yup.... but... you do not need to read it.... since the fact that it is written in Canaanite using the flawed and incomplete Abjad of the Aramaic and uses names of the Gods of the Arameans and Canaanites and Sumerians and Babylonians to name the months of the year... is all one needs to know that it is nothing but an artifice devised by wily charlatans and grifters in benighted miserable eras... and not anything other than fairy tales and perfidy purporting to be divine.

You know ... just like I said in the OP....



And I did not ask you or anyone who agrees to read anything... just like I said....



I only ask people who deny these facts to read the buybull for the proofs that they evidently are denying out of ignorance of the content which prove my facts... or the ones who deny that the content is there at all.... even when I quote it right here so that they do not have to even read it in the buybull... they still deny it.

For example.
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That's because what you are posting has no logical connection to what is being discussed. It kind of looks like it does...a little...if you squint and cock your head a bit...but it's not passing the cursory inspection of a critical reader.

That's what you are being challenged on. Not the spirit of what you are arguing, that all are pretty much in agreement on, but in the actual citations you are providing, which are out from left field.

You ever see one of those dolls that when you pull a string on its back, it says something random and unrelated to the discussion, yet with great confidence? Yeah, it's like that.
 
Leumas said:
A Very good point... especially given that the oldest extant anything to do with the bible is the Septuagint which is written in Greek using the much better and full alphabet of the Euclidean Greek alphabet



Of course many older little shards and minute fragments here and there have been found that are PURPORTED to be from the bible... but most of those are in the Phoenician abjad the ones that have the Aramaic abjad have an early form of that too.



However... when you ask




It is of course a very fallacious question... since I was born in the 20th century CE and I do not know what happened in the PURPORTED time that is ALLEGED in the BUYBULL around 1400 BCE... since I was not there.

Nevertheless... many fundamentalist (and even not so fundamentalist) Jews believe (and christians believe them too also see Mark 7:13 and ohn 10:34-35 and Matthew 22:31) that the ancestors were there and the information has been passed down father to son WITHOUT INTERRUPTION and thus Rabbis today attest to the fact that it is all true as witnessed by over 2.5 Million ancestors.... who despite all that went ahead and melted their stolen jewelry and made a cow statue and started worshiping it in preference to this Canaanite Speaking Aramaic writing YHWH.... not to mention the interminable frequent reverting to preferring the worship of the Queen of Heaven (Asherah) despite the equally incessant and frequent clobbering YHWH kept abusing his wife with.




In any case the Septuagint is said to be a translation from Canaanite (a.k.a. Hebrew)



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So why aren't you bringing all this to actual Christians and Jews who might benefit from your debunking?
 
Yes, but if you read the Bible and your faith is pure you will know it to be the word of God, no matter how many transformations it has undergone. God's love is felt in every verse, proving that the Bible is true and showing the greatnest of our Lord, for his word remains untouched as it passes from mouth to mouth and travels from one people to another.

Bam! Try breaking that brick wall with your hammer of rationality.
 
Let me see if I can elucidate the argumentation so far....

  • OP.......: Another proof of the bible being an artifice of human making...
  • Poster1: I have to wonder who's the intended audience for this...
  • Poster2: Has anyone actually proposed that the Bible was not a collection of works writren by men? Seems pointless to "gotcha" a claim that no one makes.
  • OP.......: The Bible itself claims it is written by the finger of YHWH on tablets and handed over to Moses... and fundamentalist Jews believe it and aver and avow it... and so do most of the 2.5 Billion Christians... and Jesus says so in the New Tall tales.
  • Poster1: No, it most certainly does not claim this.
  • Poster2: Ummm...no it doesn't. ...
  • OP.......: Evidently you need to read the bible... [here read these verses]
  • Poster1: The part written on stone makes up about 18% of the total text
  • OP.......: I think you need to read the bible... you still are not able to fathom what it says ... And I suggest you read Exodus 20 to 34 and count those letters if you will.
  • Poster2: ...But as an ordained priest, your soul and its precarious conundrum is my larger concern. Have you been baptized?...
  • Poster3: I don't see the word "stone" anywhere in that list... Your claim that the entire bible was "written by the finger of YHWH on tablets" is unsupported.
  • Poster1: How do you know the stone inscriptions were written in that language? Or even in that alphabet?
  • OP.......: A Very good point... [here is the answer]
  • Poster4: Why do you want people here to read the bible?...
  • OP.......: I do not want people here to do anything... I made a post... they posted denying its validity... I suggested they read the PROOF for the validity... you know... so that they can verify for themselves from the primary source that their denial is incorrect.
  • Poster2: That's because what you are posting has no logical connection to what is being discussed....
  • Poster2: So why aren't you bringing all this to actual Christians and Jews who might benefit from your debunking?


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Leumas said:
Let me see if I can elucidate the argumentation so far....

  • OP.......: Another proof of the bible being an artifice of human making...
  • Poster1: I have to wonder who's the intended audience for this...
  • Poster2: Has anyone actually proposed that the Bible was not a collection of works writren by men? Seems pointless to "gotcha" a claim that no one makes.
  • OP.......: The Bible itself claims it is written by the finger of YHWH on tablets and handed over to Moses... and fundamentalist Jews believe it and aver and avow it... and so do most of the 2.5 Billion Christians... and Jesus says so in the New Tall tales.
  • Poster1: No, it most certainly does not claim this.
  • Poster2: Ummm...no it doesn't. ...
  • OP.......: Evidently you need to read the bible... [here read these verses]
  • Poster1: The part written on stone makes up about 18% of the total text
  • OP.......: I think you need to read the bible... you still are not able to fathom what it says ... And I suggest you read Exodus 20 to 34 and count those letters if you will.
  • Poster2: But as an ordained priest, your soul and its precarious conundrum is my larger concern. Have you been baptized?
  • Poster3: I don't see the word "stone" anywhere in that list... Your claim that the entire bible was "written by the finger of YHWH on tablets" is unsupported.
  • Poster1: How do you know the stone inscriptions were written in that language? Or even in that alphabet?
  • OP.......: A Very good point... [here is the answer]
  • Poster4: Why do you want people here to read the bible?
  • OP.......: I do not want people here to do anything... I made a post... they posted denying its validity... I suggested they read the PROOF for the validity... you know... so that they can verify for themselves from the primary source that their denial is incorrect.
  • Poster2: That's because what you are posting has no logical connection to what is being discussed.
  • Poster2: So why aren't you bringing all this to actual Christians and Jews who might benefit from your debunking?


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Bro, the forum software literally does this for you.
 
Leumas, you're preaching to the choir. This is the International Skeptic's Forum. The number of members here that believe the bible, or any other 'holy' book, was personally written by God himself is vanishingly small.

Yes, some posters have critiqued your arguments. That doesn't mean that they're biblical literalists, it just means that they have identified possible weaknesses in your arguments.

No-one (as far as I am aware) in this thread has claimed that the bible was personally written by God, and yet you keep acting as if (if not outright claiming that) they have. This (in part) is why people are getting frustrated with you - you are strawmanning on an industrial scale. The other major reason (IMHO) is your condescending tone, your apparent need to remind everyone that you own a thesaurus with every post. That kind of **** gets people's backs up, even when you have a valid argument.

Anyway, that's my take, do with it what you will.
 
Little 10 Toes said:
Leumas, you do know that the Ten Commandments are not the Bible, don't you?
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You do know that Exodus 20 to 34 is not just the ten commandments... and you do know how to read don't you???

  • Exodus 24:12 And YHWH said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.

Nevertheless...

Leumas said:
I suggest you read Exodus 20 to 34 carefully and try to fathom it.

Nevertheless... the fact that the Buybull claims that YHWH wrote anything at all in the language of the people he personally tried to genocide and ethnically cleanse off of the face of earth and using a flawed and incomplete abjad of yet another people he loathed... is proof that the Buybull is nothing but perfidy even before one takes into account anything else it says... QED!!!
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Leumas said:
You do know that Exodus 20 to 34 is not just the ten commandments... and you do know how to read don't you???

  • Exodus 24:12 And YHWH said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.

Nevertheless...
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I'm pretty sure you're looking at an emphatic and, not an additive and.
 
junkshop said:
Leumas, you're preaching to the choir. This is the International Skeptic's Forum. The number of members here that believe the bible, or any other 'holy' book, was personally written by God himself is vanishingly small.
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Thanks... so please tell the choir to go sing somewhere else and leave this thread alone since it is obviously not for them.... OK???


junkshop said:
Yes, some posters have critiqued your arguments. That doesn't mean that they're biblical literalists, it just means that they have identified possible weaknesses in your arguments.
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Great... IF they had done so I would love to see it... so far they have failed abysmally on all fronts....


junkshop said:
<snip irrelevant piffle>
Anyway, that's my take, do with it what you will.
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Can you please give a bit more rational informed "take" that addresses the OP instead of posts that are abject ad hominems and irrelevant pointless claptrap... ... I am waiting... :rolleyes:
 
theprestige said:
I'm pretty sure you're looking at an emphatic and, not an additive and.
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You are wrong... because ...
  1. You are just assuming stuff with no basis.
  2. It does not take 40 days and 40 nights to do 10 commandments (Exodus 34:27-28)
  3. You are still refusing to read the text.
  4. And as I have repeatedly said...
    Leumas said:
    I suggest you read Exodus 20 to 34 carefully and try to fathom it.

    Nevertheless... the fact that the Buybull claims that YHWH wrote anything at all in the language of the people he personally tried to genocide and ethnically cleanse off of the face of earth and using a flawed and incomplete abjad of yet another people he loathed... is proof that the Buybull is nothing but perfidy even before one takes into account anything else it says... QED!!!
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ETA: ah... and thanks for admitting that your post below is arrantly not true... I appreciate it...

theprestige said:
No, it most certainly does not claim this.
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Leumas said:
junkshop said:
...<snip irrelevant piffle>
Anyway, that's my take, do with it what you will.
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Can you please give a bit more rational informed "take" that addresses the OP instead of posts that are abject ad hominems and irrelevant pointless claptrap... ... I am waiting... :rolleyes:
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I agree that the bible was written by mortal humans, not by a god (I am an atheist, after all).

The point I was making was that the way you are arguing this position (that, to reiterate, I agree with) is being done in such a way as to make foes of those that would be friends.

To illustrate: this is the part of my post that you snipped as being "irrelevant piffle", and "irrelvant pointless claptrap" -

junkshop said:
...No-one (as far as I am aware) in this thread has claimed that the bible was personally written by God, and yet you keep acting as if (if not outright claiming that) they have. This (in part) is why people are getting frustrated with you - you are strawmanning on an industrial scale. The other major reason (IMHO) is your condescending tone, your apparent need to remind everyone that you own a thesaurus with every post. That kind of **** gets people's backs up, even when you have a valid argument....
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Now, YMMV, but I think that's very relevant.
 
junkshop said:
I agree that the bible was written by mortal humans, not by a god (I am an atheist, after all).
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Good... but BILLIONS of people do not agree with you and are not atheists.

And they think the Buybull is the infallible words of their godssss... and adding one more proof to rive that mistake should not be fought against with risible fallacious posts by any atheists.

Leumas said:
Another proof of the bible being an artifice of human making is the fact that it was written in the language of the Canaanites, a people the deity of the bible execrated and tried to extirpate but failed because they had iron chariots....
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junkshop said:
The point I was making was <snip more and repeated irrelevant claptrap>
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Thanks for insisting on repeating your posts of risible pathetic claptrap... I am still waiting for relevant stuff.
 
Little 10 Toes said:
Leumas, the book of Psalms was not written by God.
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Well done... :sdl: ... What language and what abjad was the Psalms written in???

I suggest you read the OP and read the below CAREFULLY...

You have AGAIN failed to fathom the significance of ANY PART AT ALL of the Buybull (the alleged words of YHWH) being written in the language of the people YHWH personally tried to genocide and ethnically cleanse off of the face of earth and using a flawed and incomplete abjad of yet another people he loathed... it is proof that the Buybull is nothing but perfidy even before one takes into account anything else it says.
 
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Norman Alexander said:
Perhaps you should talk to them and not us. We agree with you, but you can't seem to accept that.
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I am talking to them on a WORLD WIDE WEB Forum about religion and philosophy open to people WORLD WIDE to read... which is by the way not your personal club nor is your Tribal tent...

If you do not like what is said... go away and stop derailing the thread please... or try to contribute rational intellectual stuff instead of the risible claptrap posts you have used to derail the thread with so far.

But... I do appreciate your posts too... they reinforce for me how much of an impact my OP is having... :thumbsup:
 
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