The Bible is a Human Artifice!!!

[Leumas]

Another proof of the bible being an artifice of human making is the fact that it was written in the language of the Canaanites, a people the deity of the bible execrated and tried to extirpate but failed because they had iron chariots.

And it was scripted using the flowed and incomplete Abjad of the Arameans, yet another peoples the deity of the bible execrated.

And it was allegedly given to an Egyptian courtier descended from Sumerians to give to runaway slaves descended from 70 Sumerian men with their mothers and sister after having been slaves in Egypt for 430 years.

QED!!!

 

[theprestige]

I guess I'm glad we've got that all sorted? But I have to wonder who's the intended audience for this.

"Thanks, Leumas! My theist acquaintances have rejected every single fact-based rebuttal of their faith that I have tried so far, but I'm sure this one will be the one that finally reaches their hearts and minds!"

... Said no atheist ever, probably.

 

[Thermal]

Has anyone actually proposed that the Bible was not a collection of works writren by men? Seems pointless to "gotcha" a claim that no one makes.

 

[Leumas]

Has anyone actually proposed that the Bible was not a collection of works writren by men? Seems pointless to "gotcha" a claim that no one makes.

The Bible itself claims it is written by the finger of YHWH on tablets and handed over to Moses... and fundamentalist Jews believe it and aver and avow it... and so do most of the 2.5 Billion Christians... and Jesus says so in the New Tall tales.

 

[theprestige]

The Bible itself claims it is written by the finger of YHWH on tablets and handed over to Moses...

No, it most certainly does not claim this.

 

[Leumas]

No, it most certainly does not claim this.

Evidently you need to read the bible...

• Exodus 24:12 And YHWH said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.
• Exodus 34:1 And YHWH said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.
• Exodus 34:27-28 And YHWH said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel. And he was there with YHWH forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
• Matthew 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
• Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
• John 10:34-35 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

 

[theprestige]

Evidently you need to read the bible...

• Exodus 24:12 And YHWH said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.
• Exodus 34:1 And YHWH said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.
• Exodus 34:27-28 And YHWH said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel. And he was there with YHWH forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
• Matthew 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
• Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
• John 10:34-35 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

The Ten Commandments are roughly 300 words. The Old Testament is roughly 592,000 words. The part written on stone makes up about 18% of the total text. The overwhelming majority of the Old Testament falls outside the tale of stone tablets. Add in the New Testament, and we're waaay outside the limits of even charitable interpretation of your bizarre claim. Way, way outside the limits.

 

[Leumas]

The Ten Commandments are roughly 300 words. The Old Testament is roughly 592,000 words. The part written on stone makes up about 18% of the total text. The overwhelming majority of the Old Testament falls outside the tale of stone tablets. Add in the New Testament, and we're waaay outside the limits of even charitable interpretation of your bizarre claim. Way, way outside the limits.

I think you need to read the bible... you still are not able to fathom what it says ... And I suggest you read Exodus 20 to 34 and count those letters if you will.

• Exodus 24:12 And YHWH said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.
• Exodus 34:1 And YHWH said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.
• Exodus 34:27-28 And YHWH said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel. And he was there with YHWH forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
• Matthew 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
• Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
• John 10:34-35 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

 

[Leumas]

The Bible itself claims it is written by the finger of YHWH on tablets and handed over to Moses... and fundamentalist Jews believe it and aver and avow it... and so do most of the 2.5 Billion Christians... and Jesus says so in the New Tall tales.

No, it most certainly does not claim this.

... The part written on stone makes up about 18% of the total text. ...

Thanks for admitting that you were wrong... QED!!!

Moreover... can you explain why YHWH who execrated the Canaanites and Arameans used their language and flawed Abjad to write whatever amount of his words??? And gave them to a guy who could not read or speak them???

 

[Norman Alexander]

The Ten Commandments are roughly 300 words. The Old Testament is roughly 592,000 words. The part written on stone makes up about 18% of the total text. The overwhelming majority of the Old Testament falls outside the tale of stone tablets. Add in the New Testament, and we're waaay outside the limits of even charitable interpretation of your bizarre claim. Way, way outside the limits.

Uh, no. Using your numbers, that would be 0.051%, not 18%. A minuscule fraction, not nearly one fifth. Sorry.

 

[Norman Alexander]

I think you need to read the bible... you still are not able to fathom what it says ... And I suggest you read Exodus 20 to 34 and count those letters if you will.

• Exodus 24:12 And YHWH said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.
• Exodus 34:1 And YHWH said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.
• Exodus 34:27-28 And YHWH said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel. And he was there with YHWH forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
• Matthew 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
• Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
• John 10:34-35 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

Fun with fonts? Just relax.

You are mistaking the myth of the Ten Commandments, which is a tiny fraction of the whole Old Testament, to mean it was all originally carved on stone by JHWH. The Old Testament is a collection of stories of widely varying ages, each transmitted by a wide variety of means over the centuries and millennia. Most of the extant fragments of written copies are on papyrus or copper sheets. It is highly likely there was never a full Old Testament in stone, ever. Even YHWH would not bother - it would be a wall stretching for many miles that nobody would read, and also probably rate a mention in other human history books.

Here's the thing: The whole story is a myth. It's just a collection of mythical tales from history. Most of them are likely to be word-of-mouth stories and so probably vastly changed from the first versions told generations previously.

 

[Leumas]

Uh, no. Using your numbers, that would be 0.051%, not 18%. A minuscule fraction, not nearly one fifth. Sorry.

Thank you too for admitting that this

No, it most certainly does not claim this.

was most irrefragably wrong... QED!!!

Now... can you explain why YHWH would give an Egyptian courtier descended from 70 Sumerians (mostly men), any amount at all of text written by him, using the language of the people he execrated and wanted to and participated personally in the attempts to genocide and ethnically cleanse them and write it in the flawed and incomplete abjad of yet another people he execrated???

 

[Leumas]

... You are mistaking the myth of the Ten Commandments, which is a tiny fraction of the whole Old Testament

I suggest you read Exodus 20 to 34 carefully and try to fathom it.

Nevertheless... the fact that the Buybull claims that YHWH wrote anything at all in the language of the people he personally tried to genocide and ethnically cleanse off of the face of earth and using a flawed and incomplete abjad of yet another people he loathed... is proof that the Buybull is nothing but perfidy even before one takes into account anything else it says... QED!!!

 

[Leumas]

Here's the thing: The whole story is a myth...

Hahaha ... well done... have you read the OP...

Another proof of the bible being an artifice of human making ....

Thanks for telling me what I already said... but thanks for agreeing anyways... QED!!!

 

[Leumas]

Admitting what??

That the statement below is irrefragably not true.

No, it most certainly does not claim this.

 

[Thermal]

The Bible itself claims it is written by the finger of YHWH on tablets and handed over to Moses... and fundamentalist Jews believe it and aver and avow it... and so do most of the 2.5 Billion Christians... and Jesus says so in the New Tall tales.

Ummm...no it doesn't. At best, the unknown authors claim to be quoting/paraphrasing. More often, it doesn't even say that.

And certainly at no point does it say that the written words of the actual Testements are anything other than men writing stuff down.

Even when someone says they are quoting God, there is no narrative voice saying that they are doing so, or personally witnessed it. So these strange extrapolations of yours don't...you know...actually mean anything.

 

[Leumas]

Ummm...no it doesn't. At best, the unknown authors claim to be quoting/paraphrasing. More often, it doesn't even say that.

And certainly at no point does it say that the written words of the actual Testements are anything other than men writing stuff down.

Even when someone says they are quoting God, there is no narrative voice saying that they are doing so, or personally witnessed it. So these strange extrapolations of yours don't...you know...actually mean anything.

You have most clearly not read the bible... but more pertinently you have not even read the OP... please try to read things before you opine on them...

Another proof of the bible being an artifice of human making ....

Nevertheless... thanks for agreeing that the Bible is a human artifice... well done... QED!!!

 

[Thermal]

Aah... so you do not agree that the Buybull is a perfidious human artifice... hmmmm... then your statement below is clearly a mendacity as well... and rather my posts have a lot of meaning that you refuse to admit... QED!!!

I do not agree that anything is perfidious or a mendacity on general principle. Being a human artifice is okay I guess, as it is pretty clever.

But as an ordained priest, your soul and its precarious conundrum is my larger concern. Have you been baptized?

 

[Leumas]

I do not agree that anything is perfidious or a mendacity on general principle. Being a human artifice is okay I guess, as it is pretty clever.

But as an ordained priest, your soul and its precarious conundrum is my larger concern. Have you been baptized?

So you are an ordained priest and you believe that Jesus lied when he said that he gave Moses the Torah? And you do not even believe that Jesus is god or the son of YHWH??? Ordained priest of what??? Evidently not christianity.

... Being a human artifice is okay I guess, as it is pretty clever....

Look up the definition of the word...

I do not agree that anything is perfidious or a mendacity on general principle...

but yet you think the Bible is lying when it said the statements below...

• Exodus 24:12 And YHWH said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.
• Exodus 34:1 And YHWH said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.
• Exodus 34:27-28 And YHWH said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel. And he was there with YHWH forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
• Matthew 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
• Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
• John 10:34-35 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

...Have you been baptized?

So you think that dunking or sprinkling holy filthy water on someone has any significance whatsoever??? In 2022???

 

[Thermal]

So you are an ordained priest and you believe that Jesus lied when he said that he gave Moses the Torah? And you do not even believe that Jesus is god or the son of YHWH??? Ordained priest of what??? Evidently not christianity.

UCTAA Ordained Priest in good standing, my child.

Look up the definition of the word...

As you wish. Merriam-Webster's first definition: "clever or artful skill; ingenuity"

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/artifice

but yet you think the Bible is lying when it said the statements below...

I did not.

So you think that dunking or sprinkling holy filthy water on someone has any significance whatsoever??? In 2022???
:dl

It would be all kinds of artifice for you to put another colon after " :dl ". Then it would read thusly:



Eta: good job heeding sound advice