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Nessie said:
Good luck getting criminal gangs, white supremacists, prepers & those who think it is none of your God-damn business to honestly declare all gun sales and transfers.
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Fine, arrest and prosecute them for illegal arms sales if they are caught.

Only if gun makers and gun shops agree to stop making and selling any more guns.
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Then arrest and prosecute the gun manufacturers and gun shop owners who sell guns without filling out the paperwork.

If you want to make a gun yourself, have fun.

If you want to keep a gun you already own, have fun.

If you want to buy a 50 caliber autocannon for duck hunting, fill out the paperwork and have fun.

I really don't see the problem here. The 2nd Amendment talks about a "well-regulated" militia. Not sure how secret gun ownership fits in with that.
 
Nessie said:
Good luck getting criminal gangs, white supremacists, prepers & those who think it is none of your God-damn business to honestly declare all gun sales and transfers.



Only if gun makers and gun shops agree to stop making and selling any more guns.
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But doing **** all nothing is the better option.
 
Mike! said:
The CT nuts have already found something to latch on to, one of the teachers killed has a passing resemblance to one killed at Sandy Hook, and you know what that means... :boggled:



Meanwhile, I know it's be a monumental task, but I really think this present topic deserves it's own thread.
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Is Prison Planet going to say it?
 
plague311 said:
I don't understand why you're hellbent on this "all or nothing" attitude.
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Because gun control is yet another thing where a lot of people have a personal stake in the idea that America is too far gone to save.
 
plague311 said:
Their compliance isn't really needed. If they don't comply, and they get caught, they get charged. Make the charge include no more possession of firearms, like felonies and domestic assault. As was stated, the amount of guns owned and the amount of owners of guns will shrink.

We get it, there will be people who won't comply. I'm sure it won't be the first time, I'm sure it won't be the last. That doesn't mean you just don't do **** because it won't solve everything. Yes, it will take time, but this is the definition of "don't let perfect be the enemy of good". We've done nothing for a long time, that's not working, so now we have to try something else.
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You will be like Canute trying to hold back the tide. So many people will not comply and there will be so many legal challenges to any legislation, that it is pretty much pointless.

Why would they have to do that? They can make and sell guns as long as they follow the laws that are in place. I don't understand why you're hellbent on this "all or nothing" attitude.
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Unless you dry up supply of new guns, the attrition of old guns will not reduce the number of guns.

I am not all or nothing. I am just saying that the issue is not solvable and at best, any of the suggested solutions will have a minimal effect.
 
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Fine, arrest and prosecute them for illegal arms sales if they are caught.


Then arrest and prosecute the gun manufacturers and gun shop owners who sell guns without filling out the paperwork.

If you want to make a gun yourself, have fun.

If you want to keep a gun you already own, have fun.

If you want to buy a 50 caliber autocannon for duck hunting, fill out the paperwork and have fun.

I really don't see the problem here. The 2nd Amendment talks about a "well-regulated" militia. Not sure how secret gun ownership fits in with that.
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The only way to truly regulate guns, is to control who has the guns and to do that, you need to know about every gun. Every gun in the UK is logged under a licence, its make, type and serial number. If the police find a gun it can be traced to its owner and they know what and how many guns each licence holder has. That is how guns are kept only the hands of suitable people and out of the hands of criminals, as they cannot get licences and cannot get guns.

Where there are millions of guns and no one has any idea who has what gun and it is easy for someone unsuitable to get a gun and many who are unsuitable already have them, you cannot have successful gun control.

If there are 10 people and 1 smoked and gets COPD and the rest do not, that 1 person cannot do anything to be like the other 9. That is what it is like with the Western World. Only one country smoked, the USA, the rest did not and so sorry, you cannot ever be like us. The rest of the Western World always kept their guns under control and never developed a gun culture like the USA.
 
Nessie said:
You will be like Canute trying to hold back the tide. So many people will not comply and there will be so many legal challenges to any legislation, that it is pretty much pointless.



Unless you dry up supply of new guns, the attrition of old guns will not reduce the number of guns.

I am not all or nothing. I am just saying that the issue is not solvable and at best, any of the suggested solutions will have a minimal effect.
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I'm not hearing any reason not to try that can't be summed up as nihilistic defeatism.
 
Nessie said:
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I am not all or nothing. I am just saying that the issue is not solvable and at best, any of the suggested solutions will have a minimal effect.
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If you really believe that, then why have any gun laws at all? Laws against heroin and cocaine haven't eliminated drug abuse, laws against driving drunk haven't eliminated traffic accidents, laws against theft haven't eliminated burglary. The fact is that most people fear legal consequences. If firearms are harder to get and harder to keep, fewer of them will be available, including to criminals and lunatics. And over time, the influence of "gun culture" will be reduced, just as cigarette smoking has stopped being fashionable. In Uvalde, a law prohibiting 18-year-olds from buying AR15s might have been enough to save 21 lives. At the very least, if the thug had had to buy one illegally, it would have been harder, and law enforcement might have had a chance to catch him.
 
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angrysoba said:
Sure thing, Ted Cruz!
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TBF Cruz's stupid plan was quite different.

Stacy said unlocked from the inside, locked from the outside. That's reasonable, could solve the fire escape problem and wouldn't be that hard to finance retrofitting. But it wouldn't solve the problem.

But there would be an issue if the kids were fired on while they were outside on recess. And you'd need an intercom because some people like me need to enter during the day. Of course the shooter if his gun were hidden* could make up an excuse for why they needed to enter.

*You'd need a camera to see who was at the door.
 
Will Abbott, who has hailed the "quick response" of "valiant local officials" that "showed amazing courage by running toward gunfire," be walking back any of his praise?
 
Warp12 said:
I am going to stand by my assertion that cops should not be allowing civilians to enter the site of a mass shooting during or immediately after the event.

I'm sure if she ran in and got shot, that would trigger its own outrage.
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That's a side issue from the police waiting to enter the building. Not to mention if they weren't sitting outside and waiting while shots could be heard perhaps the parents wouldn't be so frustrated.
 
Nessie said:
I think any attempt is a waste of time, doomed to fail.
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Yes that would be the "nihilistic defeatism" thing.

Join us next week for another exciting episode of "People in Arguments Demonstrate What Words Mean."
 
Bob001 said:
If you really believe that, then why have any gun laws at all? Laws against heroin and cocaine haven't eliminated drug abuse, laws against driving drunk haven't eliminated traffic accidents, laws against theft haven't eliminated burglary. The fact is that most people fear legal consequences. If firearms are harder to get and harder to keep, fewer of them will be available, including to criminals and lunatics. And over time, the influence of "gun culture" will be reduced, just as cigarette smoking has stopped being fashionable. In Uvalde, a law prohibiting 18-year-olds from buying AR15s might have been enough to save 21 lives. At the very least, if the thug had had to buy one illegally, it would have been harder, and law enforcement might have had a chance to catch him.
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You can only have effective laws when a majority agree and cooperate and those who object are not powerful enough to stop those laws.

Hell will freeze before all the US states agree to unify their laws, the majority of people will cooperate by registering their guns or handing them over if deemed not suitable and there is no group who are not so powerful that they cannot stop that from happening.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Will Abbott, who has hailed the "quick response" of "valiant local officials" that "showed amazing courage by running toward gunfire," be walking back any of his praise?
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Why would he? Post fact world. He doesn't have to change his mind when shown he is provably wrong. That's weak beta cuck sissy limp wristed thinking there.
 
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Yes that would be the "nihilistic defeatism" thing.

Join us next week for another exciting episode of "People in Arguments Demonstrate What Words Mean."
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I am being realistic. You are like the one legged man who insists he can grow a new leg.
 
Nessie said:
I am being realistic. You are like the one legged man who insists he can grow a new leg.
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And you're like the person staring down the bodies of 19 school children shot up so bad they had be identified via DNA matching going "Don't try to get rid of guns."

Sorry my metaphor machine in the shop.
 
There is a simple way to get Republicans onboard with stricter gun laws: hand them out to minorities.

Have a Gun Show Booth at every BLM, LGBTQA, pro-choice and similar event, and sell them all AR-15s at cost and on credit.

you can bet that we would have an assault weapons ban before the year is out.
 
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