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Nessie said:
You can only have effective laws when a majority agree and cooperate and those who object are not powerful enough to stop those laws.

Hell will freeze before all the US states agree to unify their laws, the majority of people will cooperate by registering their guns or handing them over if deemed not suitable and there is no group who are not so powerful that they cannot stop that from happening.
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The majority do agree on implementing change, but we already know that the do **** all nothing attitude allows the killings to continue. It may not make a difference this year or next, but it will within a decade.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
There is a simple way to get Republicans onboard with stricter gun laws: hand them out to minorities.

Have a Gun Show Booth at every BLM, LGBTQA, pro-choice and similar event, and sell them all AR-15s at cost and on credit.

you can bet that we would have an assault weapons ban before the year is out.
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California had some of the laxest gun laws in the country until the Black Panthers started arming their communities.
 
Disbelief said:
The majority do agree on implementing change, but we already know that the do **** all nothing attitude allows the killings to continue. It may not make a difference this year or next, but it will within a decade.
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Columbine in 1999 resulted in lots of promises to act.

Sandy Hook in 2012 resulted in lots of promises to act.

They were also both followed by increases in gun sales, the mobilisation of the NRA to stop many gun control laws and many arguments that the 2nd Amendment cannot be amended.

The school massacre that will happen somewhere in the USA in 2032 will also result in lots of promises to act.
 
Nessie said:
You will be like Canute trying to hold back the tide. So many people will not comply and there will be so many legal challenges to any legislation, that it is pretty much pointless.

Unless you dry up supply of new guns, the attrition of old guns will not reduce the number of guns.

I am not all or nothing. I am just saying that the issue is not solvable and at best, any of the suggested solutions will have a minimal effect.
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Nessie said:
The only way to truly regulate guns, is to control who has the guns and to do that, you need to know about every gun. Every gun in the UK is logged under a licence, its make, type and serial number. If the police find a gun it can be traced to its owner and they know what and how many guns each licence holder has. That is how guns are kept only the hands of suitable people and out of the hands of criminals, as they cannot get licences and cannot get guns.

Where there are millions of guns and no one has any idea who has what gun and it is easy for someone unsuitable to get a gun and many who are unsuitable already have them, you cannot have successful gun control.

If there are 10 people and 1 smoked and gets COPD and the rest do not, that 1 person cannot do anything to be like the other 9. That is what it is like with the Western World. Only one country smoked, the USA, the rest did not and so sorry, you cannot ever be like us. The rest of the Western World always kept their guns under control and never developed a gun culture like the USA.
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"I'm not all or nothing. It's just that this won't fix it all so you should do nothing".

You can probably save your input from this point forward. We get it. You think the US is ****** and can't change. Thank you for your point of view, as useless as it is to the debate.

If the ball gets rolling and people see, even slight change, then it will gain momentum. Yes, it will take a few decades, and it will be hard, but it's worth it.
 
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Nessie said:
The only way to truly regulate guns, is to control who has the guns and to do that, you need to know about every gun. Every gun in the UK is logged under a licence, its make, type and serial number. If the police find a gun it can be traced to its owner and they know what and how many guns each licence holder has. That is how guns are kept only the hands of suitable people and out of the hands of criminals, as they cannot get licences and cannot get guns.
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That's pretty much what I am suggesting here, just with a gradual implementation. It would only apply to gun sales and transfers after the starting date.

Where there are millions of guns and no one has any idea who has what gun and it is easy for someone unsuitable to get a gun and many who are unsuitable already have them, you cannot have successful gun control.
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The fact that the problem is big is not a reason not to fix it. Yeah, it would take time for guns manufactured before the starting date to fall out of circulation, but it would happen. Millions of cars were manufactured in the year 2000, but the number of those cars that are still on the road is not going up.

If there are 10 people and 1 smoked and gets COPD and the rest do not, that 1 person cannot do anything to be like the other 9. That is what it is like with the Western World. Only one country smoked, the USA, the rest did not and so sorry, you cannot ever be like us. The rest of the Western World always kept their guns under control and never developed a gun culture like the USA.
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Again, "This is a big problem" is not a reason not to try to fix it.
 
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Also we're back in the great lie.

When Bill Clinton banned assault weapons... mass shootings went down. When the Republicans overturned that ban in 2004 they went back up. That's one of those, waddacallem... facts.

We have data points, even in America, that getting rids of guns makes being killed with a gun less likely, something that in any sane world would be obvious you wouldn't have to prove it.
 
Another press conference, more disgrace:
While a gunman slaughtered children inside locked adjoining classrooms in a Texas elementary school, a group of 19 law enforcement officers stood in a hallway outside and took no action as they waited for more equipment, a state law enforcement official said Friday.

"The on-scene commander at that time believed that it had transitioned from an active shooter to a barricaded subject," Texas Department of Public Safety Col. Steven McCraw said.

"From the benefit of hindsight where I'm sitting now, of course it was not the right decision. It was the wrong decision. There's no excuse for that."
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/27/us/uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting-friday/index.html
 
In other school shootings (dear God, there's been enough to generalize) unarmed teachers with zero training have thrown themselves in front of bullets to protect kids. In one, two students asked to be shot first, to give their younger classmates more time to be rescued. Think about that for a second.

I don't know how the responding policemen have been trained, or what their protocol was. But if they were not willing to act with the same courage as those teachers and children, it's hard for me to accept that they had any business being there.
 
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plague311 said:
"I'm not all or nothing. It's just that this won't fix it all so you should do nothing".

You can probably save your input from this point forward. We get it. You think the US is ****** and can't change. Thank you for your point of view, as useless as it is to the debate.

If the ball gets rolling and people see, even slight change, then it will gain momentum. Yes, it will take a few decades, and it will be hard, but it's worth it.
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I think he's right. There are too many guns, too much money and too many nutters for anything to change. It's gone to far to reverse, it will only get worse.
 
Again seriously what percent of this board has "America can't be saved" as a top 5 personality trait on their character sheets?
 
Stellafane said:
In other school shootings (dear God, there's been enough to generalize) unarmed teachers with zero training have thrown themselves in front of bullets to protect kids. In one, two students asked to be shot first, to give their younger classmates more time to be rescued. Think about that for a second.

I don't know how the responding policemen have been trained, or what their protocol was. But if they were not willing to do the same as those teachers and children, it's hard for me to accept that they had any business being there.
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They didn't have any business being there or any business being cops, for that matter. They were ******* garbage.

I can't imagine being so pathetic that I would stand outside and listen to gun shots, knowing they were taking out children. Of course we all like to think we're a hero in our own story, but I don't think I could accept that happening and doing nothing. Especially if I had a gun myself. At the very least I'd try distracting the shooter.

These cops disgust me.
 
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Captain_Swoop said:
I think he's right. There are too many guns, too much money and too many nutters for anything to change. It's gone to far to reverse, it will only get worse.
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And I think you're wrong. It's as simple as that. We can disagree, that's fine.

I think it's weak sauce to throw your hands up and say, "Well, we give up."

That encourages **** like this to keep happening. That's what people like this count on. They're counting on nothing changing.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Man arrested after he carried a gun onto an elementary school campus in Texas and accidently shot himself in the foot while adjusting his belt.

https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/...4tJE3KGv69__dFLgisCjY_ydRYWhiCE2ae1QceX5Hc1jg
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This the kind of guy I am talking about when I talk about gun owners who wouldn't be able to maintain the firearms they hide, in the event of some sort of gun control crack down.

This doofus was carrying in a school with what looks to have been an inadequate holster and belt. He may have simply stuck the gun in his waist ban or belt, not using a holster at all.

Now his new nickname is "Gimpy".

These are the guys who ruin their guns by using the wrong ammo, not cleaning them, jamming the magazines in backwards, trying to "fan" a revolver, leaving the gun out in the rain or doing a hundred other stuuuuuupid things.

Give these guys a gun and tell them you'll be back for it in 3 years and when you come back it will be a pile of rust (or in the case of Glock a seized up piece of plastic).

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