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Cont: Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories Part IV

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Tippit said:
Studies, websites, and video sites are only valid when they confirm your pre-existing narrative. You're the definition of "pseudo-skeptic". There is no evidence that could convince you, because you're fundamentally unreasonable, and dishonest.
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Very accurate description of yourself.
 
Planigale said:
Apologies.
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Not a problem. Consider it more like friendly advice. Use "View source" submenu to see how those tags work. it is trivially easy once one sees how to do it That is in no way a criticism. If you don't know then you just don't know, end of. Same applies to me or anyone else. I am willing to bet money that you could tell me things that I don't know.
 
Planigale said:
I claim they are as much gene therapy as Smallpox vaccine, (we know from the cartoons that people at the time Smallpox vaccine was introduced were worried about the effects of viral DNA on the human genome), or Polio vaccine.
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The CEO of Bayer debunked by a mere claim of an anonymous masked rat. Impressive.
 
Childlike Empress said:
The CEO of Bayer debunked by a mere claim of an anonymous masked rat. Impressive.
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No, debunked by this, which I posted yesterday and you obviously ignored.
Cosmic Yak said:
1. No, they aren't: this is yet another example of dishonesty from conspiracy theorists.
https://www.antifake.ro/fact-checki...-not-gene-therapy-and-do-not-alter-human-dna/

2. Would you believe the CEO of Bayer? I'm assuming you wouldn't, so why try to quote him as evidence for something you believe?
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And I can't leave without posting this.
https://twitter.com/fawltytowers_/status/1314823160043372547

Because I'm not entirely sure Planigale's avatar picture is a rat. :D
 
Childlike Empress said:
Some people, like myself, actually worked in Science™ and know how that works in the 21st century.
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Again, just so everyone can see you still evading the question, could you please detail this work you did in "Science™", particularly focusing on how these endeavors make you a greater authority on medical science than, well, medical scientists?
 
ZiprHead said:
You seem to lack knowledge of how viruses travel through the air. They are carried on the water droplets that are expelled when you exhale. Those water droplets are far greater in size than .1 micron. Block the water droplets and you block the virus.
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Covid CTists crow about this a lot. I find myself wondering if they're actually as dense as they portray, or if they're feigning ignorance.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Do you have a link for that? Might be useful, in the circumstances.
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Well I looked for one because I thought I read such a thing last night. Can't find it today so I will withdraw my statement until such time as I can find that link. Maybe I shouldn't drink scotch while I surf.
 
Planigale said:
Smallpox vaccination uses a modified vaccinia virus as a vector to inject viral DNA (not RNA actual DNA) into human cells where the foreign DNA hijacks the cells systems to convert that DNA into RNA and then the RNA directs the production of viral proteins. At the same the viral DNA is replicated in the cells. The viral proteins produced by the hijacked cells then promote an immune response. FWIW oral polio vaccine uses modified enteroviruses to inject polio RNA into human cells in just the same way that adenoids virus vector vaccines do with coronavirus RNA and mRNA in lipid droplets fuses with cell membranes and enters cells. The difference with mRNA vaccines is there is not a lot of extraneous DNA or RNA not viral enzymes involved. all much cleaner but fundamentally the way vaccines worked from the beginning injecting viral DNA or RNA into cells hijacking cell systems producing viral proteins and stimulating immunity.
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Lol. The Smallpox vaccine is a live attenuated vaccine, the modern version of which was developed in the mid 20th century before gene modification technology. You describing the natural process of viral DNA eventually resulting in the production of viral epitopes used to elicit an immune response as an analogy to the experimental mRNA gene therapies, is like saying that genetically modified tomatoes using cockroach genes (a real life example) are absolutely as safe as cross-pollenating tomato plants without GMO. This is patently false.

The RNA used in the Covid experimental gene therapies is synthetic and GMO, and results in spike proteins being produced in the human body which would have not appeared in nature from the wild virus. Now, this may or may not affect the “safety” profile of these “vaccines” at all, but it does pose unknown risks not unlike cross-breeding tomatoes and cockroaches using genetic modification, versus simply cross-breeding a couple of tomato plants.


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Planigale said:
You may claim it, but I know it. I have certified deaths that were from covid, and since vaccinations came in I have seen fewer deaths. I have seen vaccinated people who would likely have died pre-vaccination come into hospital and go home without needing ICU. What I have not seen is anyone come into hospital with a vaccine side effect and no one die from one. (I do not deny there have been some rare cases, but just they are not common.) We look quite hard for vaccine effects. We check date of vaccination for everyone admitted. Vaccine adverse events are usually too mild to need hospital admission.
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Lets just say that I am not confident at all that someone like you is “looking hard for vaccine side-effects”, nor would you necessarily be able to associate them, even if you were interested in evidence that contradicted your narrative.

You’re probably one of those doctors who would gaslight their patients who complained of “vaccine” adverse events, simply because it couldn’t possibly be true, in your mind.


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Planigale said:
I claim they are as much gene therapy as Smallpox vaccine, (we know from the cartoons that people at the time Smallpox vaccine was introduced were worried about the effects of viral DNA on the human genome), or Polio vaccine.

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Except they’re not, as I described above. Using a bad analogy throwing around terms like RNA and DNA to describe how non-GMO smallpox vaccine elicits an immune response doesn’t account for the fact that the Covid experimental gene therapies are GMO, and the Smallpox vaccines aren’t.


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varwoche said:
Covid CTists crow about this a lot. I find myself wondering if they're actually as dense as they portray, or if they're feigning ignorance.
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And yet, the study remains. Surgical masks (we don’t know which ASTM rating) aren’t effective at reducing transmission of covid, which means that cloth masks are a joke, whether you’re exhaling aerosolized virus, droplets, endless streams of spittle, or flying chunks of food.


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Tippit said:
And yet, the study remains. Surgical masks (we don’t know which ASTM rating) aren’t effective at reducing transmission of covid, which means that cloth masks are a joke, whether you’re exhaling aerosolized virus, droplets, endless streams of spittle, or flying chunks of food.


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Do, please, put a cloth mask on and exhale some chunks of food, whilst videoing this. Report whether the mask prevents those chunks from leaving your mouth. Once you've stopped choking, clean yourself up and post the video.
 
Tippit said:
And yet, the study remains. Surgical masks (we don’t know which ASTM rating) aren’t effective at reducing transmission of covid, which means that cloth masks are a joke, whether you’re exhaling aerosolized virus, droplets, endless streams of spittle, or flying chunks of food.


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Great. Surgeons and surgical nurses and anesthetists and whatever do not need masks.

What fun.
 
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