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Cont: Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories Part IV

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MBDK said:
Do you understand his argument? Do you understand how, even if correct, it has no impact on its ability to identify the presence of COVID-19?
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Perfectly. Here he is about the PCR-Test itself. I think you will be able to understand what he says. Not able to detect infections, should be used only in laboratory environments:



Dr. Osten, who designed the original COVID-19 PCR-Test, designed it in a way that had to produce massive false positive results (CT-Value of 45).

And he knew it because there are older statements of him saying the exact same thing Mullis says in that video.
 
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Childlike Empress said:
Ever heard about Kary Mullis, the inventor of the PCR-Test? He won a Nobel Prize for it and had some interesting things to say. "Conveniently" died in late 2019. Here are two minutes of what he said about the criminal Anthony Fauci:

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A little off topic, but when Kary Mullis said "Tony Fauci doesn't mind going on television and lying directly into the camera," it reminded me of what is on Wikipedia at this moment about what motivated whistleblower Edward Snowden.

In the 14th section down it quotes Snowden as saying in January 2014, "The breaking point was seeing the Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, directly lie under oath to Congress."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden
 
Tom Palven said:
A little off topic, but when Kary Mullis said "Tony Fauci doesn't mind going on television and lying directly into the camera," it reminded me of what is on Wikipedia at this moment about what motivated whistleblower Edward Snowden.

In the 14th section down it quotes Snowden as saying in January 2014, "The breaking point was seeing the Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, directly lie under oath to Congress."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden
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Are you truly blind to the duplicity of calling Fauci a liar after the lie of calling Kit Knightly "a former Guardian investigative reporter"?

Then there was your claim that you'd personally seen Fauci heavily featured on media all over the world.

Not only are you demonstrably a liar, but you aren't even good at it.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Dr. Osten, who designed the original COVID-19 PCR-Test, designed it in a way that had to produce massive false positive results (CT-Value of 45).
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Do you mean Christian Drosten?

If so, then . . .

Do Drosten tests show false COVID-19 positive results?

Nona Aghdgomelashvili doesn’t indicate any sources as evidence for the information in the post, which would make content about the Drosten tests reliable. Therefore, statements as if Drosten "mixed the test and vaccine, and after becoming obsessed with the idea, he developed a new COVID-19 test in the lab" lacks evidence.

Drosten tests that were developed in one of the best genomic research laboratories in the world was purchased by the World Health Organization. WHO has published a detailed report on the accuracy of the tests and noted that it was validated by three different laboratories.

Experts explain that no test is accurate 100% of the time, albeit the errors are usually introduced by medical personnel who fail to take samples correctly or lab personnel’s mistake.

Reiner Fuellmich is a German lawyer and one of the well-known corona-skeptics who believes that PCR tests aren’t reliable. As for the investigative committee that Nona Aghdgomelashvili writes about in her post, it was formed on June 10, 2020, by four lawyers and its' primary aim is to consider “lockdown” the greatest crime against humanity in history.

Read “Myth Detector’s” article on Fuellmich:
In regards to Drosten tests, Fuellmich refers to scientist’s 2014 interview with the Wirtschaftswoche, in which Drosten states that PCR diagnostic tests for MERS-virus are particularly sensitive and respond to even one genetic molecule, which means that mild cases of the disease might be included in the overall count of the disease. Fuellmich disseminated this information about PRC diagnostic tests for COVID-19 and indicated that using such sensitive tests generates false-positive results and groundlessly causes the increase of number of patients tested positive for COVID-19.
Drosten himself states that PRC tests developed by him have passed respective certification and the test results “don’t raise any questions”.

On September 22, during the Norddeutscher Rundfunk’s weakly podcast on coronavirus outbreak and treatment, the head of the Virology Institute at Frankfurt University Clinic Sandra Ciesek stated that PCR test remains a “gold standard” for coronavirus diagnostics.
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Tom Palven said:
A little off topic, but when Kary Mullis said "Tony Fauci doesn't mind going on television and lying directly into the camera," it reminded me of what is on Wikipedia at this moment about what motivated whistleblower Edward Snowden.

In the 14th section down it quotes Snowden as saying in January 2014, "The breaking point was seeing the Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, directly lie under oath to Congress."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden
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Yes, the fish always stinks from the head. As I said about the veterinarian Lothar Wieler, who is head of the RKI, a state institute under the umbrella of the health ministry, a little bit comparable to Fauci but far less powerful, goes up on the stage and presents the data of his own institute, collected by real scientists and used by critics of the "measurements", and blatanly lies about that data. But as people don't tend to check what they could check, given it is open source, they just believe the 30-second snippet they see on the telly and he mostly gets away with it (but not for much longer).
 
The wretched smell of dangerous disinformation is going to ruin xmas dinner, so auf wiedersehen, happy holidays, merry christmas, and спокойной ночи.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Perfectly. Here he is about the PCR-Test itself. I think you will be able to understand what he says. Not able to detect infections, should be used only in laboratory environments:

Dr. Osten, who designed the original COVID-19 PCR-Test, designed it in a way that had to produce massive false positive results (CT-Value of 45).

And he knew it because there are older statements of him saying the exact same thing Mullis says in that video.
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So, you ARE ignorant. His argument is specific in that what the test detects truly IS present, but the test is just not quantitative. That is in direct agreement with the fact the test reliably detects the presence of COVID-19. NO ONE of expertise on the subject has ever claimed the tests are individually quantitative.

It should be disconcerting to you that you have failed to recognize such a basic flaw in your argument.
 
Childlike Empress said:
'Steve is an absolute loon from down-under who believes in every big lie ever told. If people who have, unlike Steve, shown their brilliance in other fields, doubt even one of those big lies, Steve thinks he can dismiss all of their statements.'

Just quoting from somewhere on the internet.
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I may well be a loon, which would certainly qualify me to dismiss the comments of like-minded persons, but it would take complete (Russian) ignorance of the world to think that I am "down-under" anywhere.

Re the quote - it is in the stupidly easy to find Wiki article on your "conveniently' dead hero, But you knew that :D (because you are the smartest person I will ever encounter).
 
My cousin is in the hospital on Christmas because of the anti-vax nonsense, and is pissed at himself for being a fool.

Please stop muddying the waters with your nonsense, CTers. You are literally hurting people playing your stupid ******* games.

People buy into the "I'm on the fence" attitude solely because idiots keep telling them ********. There aren't two sides to the issue: there's reality, and there's fantasyland.
 
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TheGoldcountry said:
My cousin is in the hospital on Christmas because of the anti-vax nonsense, and is pissed at himself for being a fool.

Please stop muddying the waters with your nonsense, CTers. You are literally hurting people playing your stupid ******* games.
People buy into the "I'm on the fence" attitude solely because idiots keep telling them ********. There aren't two sides to the issue: there's reality, and there's fantasyland.
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I believe this is the actual intent of these sub-humans. Many of them just pretend to be stupid to hide their maliciousness.
 
One of the funniest things about pseudo-skeptics is this "trust the Science™" thing. It should be something resevered to autistic Swedish teenagers, but these clowns are just so proud of their ability to replicate nonsense they were told in school.

Some people, like myself, actually worked in Science™ and know how that works in the 21st century.
 
Childlike Empress said:
One of the funniest things about pseudo-skeptics is this "trust the Science™" thing. It should be something resevered to autistic Swedish teenagers, but these clowns are just so proud of their ability to replicate nonsense they were told in school.

Some people, like myself, actually worked in Science™ and know how that works in the 21st century.
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While you replicate nonsense you find in the nastier corners of the internet. You show no sign of understanding how science works in any century after witch hunts and claims of demonic possession went out of vogue.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Some people, like myself, actually worked in Science™ and know how that works in the 21st century.
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Well, you certainly lapsed into some form of scientific amnesia, when you claimed to understand Kary Mullis' comments in relation to COVID-19 testing (and I am ignoring the fact that decades of field testing disproves his actual argument).
 
Childlike Empress said:
Some people, like myself, actually worked in Science™ and know how that works in the 21st century.
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What do you intend "Science™" to refer to? You sure seem ignorant of the ordinary kind of science that studies the natural world.
 
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