Split Thread Heart transplant not for muslins

The Atheist said:
Or, in the real world, let's not conduct potentially life-saving experimental surgey worth millions of dollars for free on despicable crooks.
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You just don't get it, and I wonder why. Could it be that blind hatred is clouding your judgement?

A large proportion of 'despicable crooks' are actually mentally ill and deserve our pity - or least an admission of society's failure to cure them. But where certain crimes are concerned all rational thought goes out the window and animal instinct takes over. Some of us are able to recognize this and avoid surrendering to the beast within, but not The Atheist. He thinks we should deny treatment to patients if their past was too violent. Not for any rational reason, but because the thought of them being helped in any way makes his blood boil.

The attack took place in April 1988 when Mr Bennett's wife sat on the lap of Mr Shumaker, who was 22, Ms Downey said.

In an apparent jealous rage, Mr Bennett stabbed Mr Shumaker in the back repeatedly.

Mr Bennett was found guilty of battery and carrying a concealed weapon and was sentenced to 10 years in prison.
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We don't know the full circumstances of this incident, but it appears that Mr Bennett was not able to contain the animal inside him. Was this normal behavior for him? Is he still like that today? We don't know. But we do know that his knee-jerk reaction to seeing his wife on top of another man was not that different to The Atheist's reaction to hearing about him getting treatment. One has to wonder who is the most despicable here, someone who couldn't contain their emotions one time 33 years ago, or someone would happily deny treatment to millions based on his perception of their 'unworthiness'.
 
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The Atheist said:
I don't buy a bar of it.

Stockholm Syndrome done to perfection.
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Such breathtaking arrogance. Even when informed of legitimate reasons for women wanting to wear traditional clothing other than 'because they are oppressed', you're not buying it. Why, you know their minds better than they do!

It doesn't take much thought to understand that people who are brought up in a particular culture will identify with it and defend their choice. And it's not like wearing a hijab is inherently harmful or demeaning - it's just a piece of cloth after all, and could actually be a useful article of clothing. If it wasn't associated with Islam nobody would care whether you wore one or not.

But The Atheist doesn't think. The Atheist just knows that however he feels about something must be correct. That's the advantage of being a superior male in a western country - you inherently know what's right for everyone even if they don't agree. I mean, how could weak women suffering from 'Stockholm Syndrome done to perfection' possibly know what they really want? Luckily they have The Atheist to set them straight...
 
The Atheist said:
Or, in the real world, let's not conduct potentially life-saving experimental surgey worth millions of dollars for free on despicable crooks.


Utter bollocks, and if you thought about it for a billisecond, you'd know it's bollocks.

Criminal records stop people from getting jobs, credit and travelling, just for starters.
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There's nothing like vengeful justice, is there? It makes you feel good inside to know that these scum can never reenter society in a meaningful way, doesn't it? Rehabilitation is for pussies.

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Roger Ramjets said:
Could it be that blind hatred is clouding your judgement?
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Nope. There are very few people I hate, and almost none of them are crooks.

Roger Ramjets said:
A large proportion of 'despicable crooks' are actually mentally ill and deserve our pity ...
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My heart bleeds.

Roger Ramjets said:
It doesn't take much thought to understand that people who are brought up in a particular culture will identify with it and defend their choice.
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Which is exactly what I said. I just put it more bluntly.

erlando said:
There's nothing like vengeful justice, is there?:
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My personal website cover is Blackstone's Formulation.

I have no interest in vengeance. I was pointing out what happens in the real world - it is not a case of time served, case closed. One of my mates served 9 years for dealing meth. He got out six years ago and has managed to get one job in all that time. Why do you think that might be?
 
The Atheist said:
I have no interest in vengeance. I was pointing out what happens in the real world - it is not a case of time served, case closed. One of my mates served 9 years for dealing meth. He got out six years ago and has managed to get one job in all that time. Why do you think that might be?
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And yet we have this:

Or, in the real world, let's not conduct potentially life-saving experimental surgey worth millions of dollars for free on despicable crooks.
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He hasn't gotten jobs because a lot of society is thinking like you.
 
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The Atheist said:
Applied to kidnapping situations, it probably is. I use it in a wider sense, like battered wives who keep giving their abuser another chance, or fail to leave.
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Ah, so you're taking a concept that doesn't exist and applying it to a situation that it never described. No worries.
 
BobTheCoward said:
I would love to
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If you're planning on killing your kids, I'd recommend it. In NZ, you can kill your kid then represent the country in international sporting events.

But hey, everyone loves Soulan - he did the crime, did the time. Nice fella.

(When he got in the ring with someone older than 18 months he got thrashed btw)

arthwollipot said:
Ah, so you're taking a concept that doesn't exist and applying it to a situation that it never described. No worries.
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Nope.

WebMD: It happens to some abuse and hostage victims when they have positive feelings toward an abuser or captor.

Wikipedia: It has also come to describe the reactions of some abuse victims beyond the context of kidnappings or hostage-taking.

I'm using it in the context that many people do. Whether the original condition is real I neither know nor care.
 
arthwollipot said:
And you're also defining religion as abuse. Yeah, I get it.
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Sorry mate, much as I love you I'd rather have Richard Dawkins on my side in that debate.

erlando said:
Your friend was dealing meth. Not exactly a harmless crime.
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:dl:

Streeeettttcccchhhhhhhhh any further?

Drug dealing is the very epitome of victimless crime. If you want to discuss the idiotic and demonstrably failed 50-year War on Drugs, do start a thread and I'll be first cab off the rank.
 
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Sideroxylon said:
And a necessary condition to be a candidate for such experimental surgery.

Maybe we could conduct these kinds of experiments on death row prisoners? Asking the big philosophical questions here.
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The US used to do that, then the law intervened.
 
arthwollipot said:
And you're also defining religion as abuse. Yeah, I get it.
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Steve said:
Not so much of a stretch really, at least as it is actually practiced by many religious leaders.
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Religious indoctrination abuse? I go along with that - and it's not a new idea.

Given that the indoctrinated child is convinced he/she is destined for that wailing and gnashing of teeth place unless repentant, and feeling unworthy of the later*, I would say this is abuse, most certainly.


* This was my case before I found Bertrand Russell.
 
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