Split Thread Heart transplant not for muslins

[junkshop]

While we're waiting I'd like to address this:

...I'm not hypocritical about it...

...I'm bigoted against muslins. On the other hand, I'd slap anyone who puts down Samoans...

YMMV, but that sounds kinda hypocritical to me.


ETA: Is the fact that one group share a religious belief, whereas the other come from a place important? I don't know, but both scenarios look equally bigoted from here (without the sound of Bow bells).

 

[Steve]

While we're waiting I'd like to address this:





YMMV, but that sounds kinda hypocritical to me.


ETA: Is the fact that one group share a religious belief, whereas the other come from a place important? I don't know, but both scenarios look equally bigoted from here (without the sound of Bow bells).

Does a non-hypocritical bigot have to be equally bigoted against everyone? Seems to me the very definition of bigotry is that you pick and choose among defined groups.

 

[junkshop]

Your profile says "not a cockney" which is probably why you don't get it.

I'm sorry to bang on about this, but I honestly don't understand this post.

I may be missing something obvious, but I would really appreciate an explanation.

 

[arthwollipot]

I am virulently anti-religion also, and I can't see how and honest atheist can be otherwise, given the bloody trail left by religion through the ages. Mind you, this does not mean I am anti the religious, in a hateful way. I feel compassion for them at times, which does not mean I will not fight against them, and their influence.

Yeah, well, you know my opinion on your separation of religion from the religious, so let's not open that old wound again.

 

[junkshop]

Does a non-hypocritical bigot have to be equally bigoted against everyone? Seems to me the very definition of bigotry is that you pick and choose among defined groups.

That is a very good point.

I think I was making the assumption that most bigots don't/can't see that they are being bigoted, but rather see it as common sense that (group x) are obviously and inherently less/evil/whatever. That would be my own bias/bigotry coming into play.

That given, I suppose it is unfair of me to accuse The Atheist of being a 'hypocritical bigot', when the hypocrisy is a fundamental part of the bigotry from the get-go, and so I retract that.

 

[Thor 2]

Your profile says "not a cockney" which is probably why you don't get it.

I'm sorry to bang on about this, but I honestly don't understand this post.

I may be missing something obvious, but I would really appreciate an explanation.

Sorry to but in here, but it's fairly clear to me what The Atheist is saying here. Just to spell it out, your signature "Not A Cockney", is saying you would not like to be identified as such. Indicating a bias against Cockneys perhaps?

 

[Thor 2]

Yeah, well, you know my opinion on your separation of religion from the religious, so let's not open that old wound again.

Well it may be a wound to you arth but not to me.

I know you have religious friends that you feel warmth towards, but I cannot see why you can't feel that without being anti the harmful BS they believe in.

Lets look at an extreme example:

A young girl is being sacrificed in a religious ceremony - a religion she was brought up to believe. Can't you feel compassion for her a the same time feeling revulsion for the religion?

 

[junkshop]

...Also, the 'muslim/muslin' thing is (to me) so pathetically childish...

Your profile says "not a cockney" which is probably why you don't get it.

I'm sorry to bang on about this, but I honestly don't understand this post.

I may be missing something obvious, but I would really appreciate an explanation.

Sorry to but in here, but it's fairly clear to me what The Atheist is saying here. Just to spell it out, your signature "Not A Cockney", is saying you would not like to be identified as such. Indicating a bias against Cockneys perhaps?

You may be right, but I wouldn't want to assume The Atheist's meaning. Also, I don't see the link between that interpretation, and my apparently 'not getting' his muslim/muslin childishness.



_{As an aside, and maybe worth noting, the underlining of my signature denotes it's status as a link...} __________________

 

[Thor 2]

You may be right, but I wouldn't want to assume The Atheist's meaning. Also, I don't see the link between that interpretation, and my apparently 'not getting' his muslim/muslin childishness.



_{As an aside, and maybe worth noting, the underlining of my signature denotes it's status as a link...} __________________

OK, I will try not to assume The Atheists meaning again.

Careful about the "his muslim/muslin childishness" jab whoever. The Membership Agreement rules 0 and 12 may come and bit you.

 

[The Atheist]

Sorry to but in here, but it's fairly clear to me what The Atheist is saying here. Just to spell it out, your signature "Not A Cockney", is saying you would not like to be identified as such. Indicating a bias against Cockneys perhaps?

Nope, and I did state it a couple of pages back - it's from the original series of Porridge. Norman Stanley Fletcher, unlike Ronnie Barker, was a Cockney.

 

[The Atheist]

Bigots you say?

Sometimes the headlines write themselves:

Muslin Refuses to Wear Jersey!*

Would rather stay home than wear a jersey supporting LGBT+


*Officially a guernsey, but nobody who doesn't follow AFL would know what one is.

 

[Steve]

Bigots you say?

Sometimes the headlines write themselves:

Muslin Refuses to Wear Jersey!*

Would rather stay home than wear a jersey supporting LGBT+


*Officially a guernsey, but nobody who doesn't follow AFL would know what one is.

That is not bigotry. It is an honestly held religious belief. Only atheists can be bigots, don't you know.

 

[The Atheist]

That is not bigotry. It is an honestly held religious belief. Only atheists can be bigots, don't you know.

Oh crap, mea culpa.

Of course, the guy who was ******* an 8 year old girl said consenting adult males having sex is bad. I should have picked that up.

 

[Emre_1974tr]

In the Qur'an, only pork is forbidden to eat. Organ transplantation from him is not prohibited. It is also halal to eat pork when it comes to health. Read the verse carefully.

One of the reasons pork is banned is probably because the pig is in some ways the closest creature to humans.

 

[Lplus]

In the Qur'an, only pork is forbidden to eat. Organ transplantation from him is not prohibited. It is also halal to eat pork when it comes to health. Read the verse carefully.

One of the reasons pork is banned is probably because the pig is in some ways the closest creature to humans.

On what basis would that comparison have been made back when the book was written? It can't have been medical science.

 

[The Atheist]

In the Qur'an, only pork is forbidden to eat. Organ transplantation from him is not prohibited.

Huh, I didn't realise they were doing organ transplants in those days. Live and learn, I guess.

One of the reasons pork is banned is probably because the pig is in some ways the closest creature to humans.

Odd that all fanged beasts of prey, all birds having talons, and donkeys are prohibited as well then. None of them are close to humans.

 

[Steve]

Huh, I didn't realise they were doing organ transplants in those days. Live and learn, I guess.



Odd that all fanged beasts of prey, all birds having talons, and donkeys are prohibited as well then. None of them are close to humans.

There are an awful lot of humans who closely resemble donkeys.

 

[junkshop]

In the Qur'an, only pork is forbidden to eat...

I know you've been suspended, but I'm posting this in case you choose to engage in honest conversation, once your suspension comes to an end.

This is simply untrue. The following quotes all come from this page.

Carrion
An animal which dies by itself i.e., carrion

Forbidden to you is that which dies of itself, and blood, and flesh of swine, and that on which any other name than that of Allah has been invoked, and the strangled (animal) and that beaten to death, and that killed by a fall and that killed by being smitten with the horn, and that which wild beasts have eaten, except what you slaughter, and what is sacrificed on stones set up (for idols) and that you divide by the arrows; that is a transgression. This day have those who disbelieve despaired of your religion, so fear them not, and fear Me. This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed My favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion; but whoever is compelled by hunger, not inclining willfully to sin, then surely Allah is most-Forgiving, most-Merciful.

— Qurʼan, Surah 5 (al-Maʼidah), ayah 3

Blood
Blood and its by-products are forbidden in Islam, in the Quran, surah 5, al-Maʼidah, verse 3: also and its by-products are forbidden in Islam, in the Quran, surah 5, al-Maʼidah, verse 3:

Forbidden to you is that which dies of itself, and blood, and flesh of swine, and that on which any other name than that of Allah has been invoked, and the strangled (animal) and that beaten to death, and that killed by a fall and that killed by being smitten with the horn, and that which wild beasts have eaten, except what you slaughter, and what is sacrificed on stones set up (for idols) and that you divide by the arrows; that is a transgression. This day have those who disbelieve despaired of your religion, so fear them not, and fear Me. This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed My favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion; but whoever is compelled by hunger, not inclining willfully to sin, then surely Allah is most-Forgiving, most-Merciful.

— Qurʼan, Surah 5 (al-Maʼidah), ayah 3

Animals dedicated to other than God Edit
Animal dedicated to or slaughtered in the name of a human being or saint is prohibited.

He has only forbidden you what dies of itself, and blood, and flesh of swine, and that over which any other (name) than (that of) God has been invoked; but whoever is driven to necessity, not desiring, nor exceeding the limit, no sin shall be upon him; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

— Qurʼan, Sura 2 (Al-Baqara), ayat 173

 

[Roger Ramjets]

Huh, I didn't realise they were doing organ transplants in those days. Live and learn, I guess.

This thread started with you asserting that 'Jews and muslins need not apply' for a pig's heart, implying that they would refuse on religious grounds. Your claim is busted, and no amount of deflection will un-bust it.

Odd that all fanged beasts of prey, all birds having talons, and donkeys are prohibited as well then. None of them are close to humans.

It's possible they had multiple rationalizations for forbidding different foods. Today a lot of westerners abhor the eating of cats and dogs. I wonder why?

 

[junkshop]

...Today a lot of westerners abhor the eating of cats and dogs. I wonder why?

Pound for pound, they're just too damn pricey.


That's probably not the actual reason. Not yet, anyhow.