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Jogging in Georgia while black.

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Meadmaker said:
I'm always amazed at what tangents can come up.


I've forgotten what the original point was, but I suspect that "4 minute mile" was just a generic statement of "very fast".
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It could've been, if Thermal didn't lose his (or her) **** at the mere suggestion that it wasn't accurate.
 
wareyin said:
Of course some very few humans have run a four minute mile....<snipped interminable rambling about the 4 minute mile>
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Hey, you accidentally snipped out your proof of 18" shotguns. Im sure it was a mistake a d not cowardly dishonesty. Here, you can post your proof on the line below:

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We'll resume when you post it, not before.

Oh, yes I do. The claim of guns being out the whole time was made in response to your claim that Arbery went for the gun immediately. After an 8 minute chase in which the DA said the damn guns were being open carried. So yeah, if you're going to dispute the facts as we know them, the burden of proof is on you.

You claimed that video of the truck without the shotgun hanging out the window was proof Travis wasn't holding his gun. First, link the video so we can see whether this is yet another of your bogus claims. I'm curious if your video is even showing the driver's side. Then we can examine your evidence to see how well it lines up with the DA's claims that you're disputing.

Of course I disagree. Open carry is the opposite of concealed behind the seat. The DA said it was open carry. You're going to have to come up with a valid reason to believe your claim, especially having been caught bs'ing your way through so much of this discussion.
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Oh my god. You are so ignorant of this topic that you actually don't know the difference between open carry and transporting firearms in a vehicle, and the differing laws? This is priceless. You actually think the DA's comments about open carry apply...to carrying a long gun while operating a motor vehicle?

I just love you. But we're done here. It's too stupid.
 
Belz... said:
Honestly I have no idea why I used "her" instead of "him". Maybe I got mixed with another thread. Vixen's, maybe?

But your reaction is so completely disproportionate that it was all worth that error. In fact I don't even know your gender; I just assume you're a "he". Do you go into tantrums when someone mistakes you for a woman over the phone? Happened to me a couple of times.
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Intriguing point. Ya think it compares to the disproportionate weight you knuckleheads are putting on the 4 min mile?


Belz... said:
It could've been, if Thermal didn't lose his (or her) **** at the mere suggestion that it wasn't accurate.
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Guess not. There's nothing to talk about here except Thermal mentioning a four minute mile.

Btw, when did you lose your sense of humor? I can't meet absurd overreaction in kind? Sheesh.
 
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Thermal said:
Oh my god. You are so ignorant of this topic that you actually don't know the difference between open carry and transporting firearms in a vehicle, and the differing laws? This is priceless. You actually think the DA's comments about open carry apply...to carrying a long gun while operating a motor vehicle?

I just love you. But we're done here. It's too stupid.
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Yeah, it's probably for the best if you bow out now. Quit while you're behind and all that.

Whenever you choose to reengage, I'd still love to see that video of Travis' truck you claim validates your point. Hell, I'd even settle for evidence that Georgia open carry laws mean concealed weapons, but I know you can't back that up either.
 
wareyin said:
Yeah, it's probably for the best if you bow out now. Quit while you're behind and all that.

Whenever you choose to reengage, I'd still love to see that video of Travis' truck you claim validates your point. Hell, I'd even settle for evidence that Georgia open carry laws mean concealed weapons, but I know you can't back that up either.
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Still snipping out proof of your gun length claim, I see. You're not changing the subject till you address that, and your previous unevidenced claims. Here, here's another line for you to post it on, should you dig deep down and find a shred of honesty:

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Oh, and open carry laws/concealed carry/vehicular transport are all different laws. Well get there, but no, you still don't get to change the subject till you show the intellectual honesty to post your proofs or acknowledge you fabricated your claims.
 
Thermal said:
Still snipping out proof of your gun length claim, I see. You're not changing the subject till you address that, and your previous unevidenced claims. Here, here's another line for you to post it on, should you dig deep down and find a shred of honesty:

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Oh, and open carry laws/concealed carry/vehicular transport are all different laws. Well get there, but no, you still don't get to change the subject till you show the intellectual honesty to post your proofs or acknowledge you fabricated your claims.
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I'm not sure why you think it's so important for me to repeat that my claim for gunlengths was a google search. Oh, wait, any excuse to dodge the requests for the evidence you claimed you had, that's why!

Well here you go, as I've now said for the third time, it was a google answer that I used to get gun lengths. Those numbers were barrel length rather than full gun length, as manufacturers don't actually seem to provide full lengths (which you should know if you're actually the gun expert you're posing as here)

Now that we have that cleared up (again) you should have no more excuses to continue avoiding providing evidence for your claims. So, that video link? Georgia open carry law that allows you to conceal? Beuller? Beuller?
 
wareyin said:
Now that we have that cleared up (again) you should have no more excuses to continue avoiding providing evidence for your claims. So, that video link? Georgia open carry law that allows you to conceal? Beuller? Beuller?
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Indeed, and good luck with that!

So Thermal, do you, or do you not have video evidence to back up your claim... this is a question with only a yes or no answer - once you have answered "yes" or "no", only then have you earned the right to pontificate about your answer. Any equivocation, dodging or shilly-shally before giving a "yes" or "no" answer will be interpreted by default as a "no", and will inform us that you have been telling porkies.
 
Thermal said:
Intriguing point. Ya think it compares to the disproportionate weight you knuckleheads are putting on the 4 min mile?
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It compares very poorly, since fake-flouncing/tantrum because someone either mistook you for a woman online or just wrote the wrong word is nowhere near trying to get you to admit to being wrong on the thing YOU brought up. In fact, it's the exact opposite since I immediately admitted my mistake.
 
wareyin said:
I'm not sure why you think it's so important for me to repeat that my claim for gunlengths was a google search. Oh, wait, any excuse to dodge the requests for the evidence you claimed you had, that's why!
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I asked you to provide evidence for your claim, and you weaseled around it, not even acknowledging that you were comically wrong. All you said on the subject was:

wareyin said:
Hey, it's your claim that the gun in question is at least three feet long, I just used Google to double check you.
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You have not had the integrity to admit that you either: A. Didn't understand what you were reading but foolishly posted it, or B. Understood, but lied.

Well here you go, as I've now said for the third time, it was a google answer that I used to get gun lengths. Those numbers were barrel length rather than full gun length,
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Finally, you admit you lacked the wit to figure out that a gun's overall length would be longer than it's barrel alone. Why not just admit so sooner, instead of snipping and being evasive? It was already obvious you had no idea what you were talking about.

as manufacturers don't actually seem to provide full lengths (which you should know if you're actually the gun expert you're posing as here)
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Yet another lie. Citing the popular Remington 870, with the shortest off-the-shelf barrel to skew the results as far in your favor as we can: Overall Length, 38 1/2".

https://www.interstatearms.com/store/product.aspx/productId/36068/Remington-870-Hardwood-Home-Defense-/

So no, there was not the slightest problem in finding an overall shotgun length. You lied again.

But I sense a stupid question on the horizon: "well why you randomly pick a Remmy 870? Huh? HUH??" I'll answer in advance because you are boring the hell out of me. Travis' gun was a Remington 870.

Now that we have that cleared up (again) you should have no more excuses to continue avoiding providing evidence for your claims. So, that video link? Georgia open carry law that allows you to conceal? Beuller? Beuller?
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No, you're still up, with previously unanswered direct questions. No, you still don't get to weasel out and change the subject.

Next up, from pages back: You made the affirmative claim that the guns were out in view the whole time. No such reporting exists, AFAIK. So post your evidence, or cut to the chase and acknowledge upfront that you either: A. Didn't understand what you were reading but claimed it as fact anyway, or B. Understood, but lied anyway.
 
Belz... said:
It compares very poorly, since fake-flouncing/tantrum because someone either mistook you for a woman online or just wrote the wrong word is nowhere near trying to get you to admit to being wrong on the thing YOU brought up. In fact, it's the exact opposite since I immediately admitted my mistake.
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OK. Specifically, now: what was I wrong about? Near as I can tell, my statement was 100% accurate, and confirmed by several other posters.

But you and others just feeeeeel like I was saying something else. That a 4 min mile was trivially commonplace, or whatever. So fine, I conceded and happily said to substitute 5 or 6 minutes for the mile time. Yet you still bang on about it. What is the remaining 'wrong' part you are insisting I admit?
 
smartcooky said:
Ask Thermal
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Addressed repeatedly.

I'm trying to put together what happened. We know that a relatively short distance was covered, back and forth, in a relatively long time.

Now how fast could the killers have been driving? I'd guess not more than 5-10 mph. Any faster and they would speed away from Arbery. What I am seeing described is a slow moving confrontation. Is that consistent with Arbery running for his life? I don't think so. Sounds more like he was strong and confident, avoiding the drivers but not in fear (or he would have simply left the asphalt, and left the pudgy McMichaels sitting in their trucks). I think his confidence is reinforced by his run directly at his killer, after Travis left the truck and brought out the gun, while we see ample wooded cover on both sides of the street.

Dropping off the childish taunts for the moment: do you think that is a plausible reading of events and available information? If not, why not?

And again, it makes no difference in terms of Arbery being murdered. It's simply trying to put together the events to form a picture of what happened.
 
arthwollipot said:
Thermal, what does any of this have to do with the fact that someone was murdered?
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See above, or read the last two pages. A poster asserted Arbery was "exhausted from running for his life". I noted that he hadn't run far, and had a lot of time to do so, relatively. This seems more a low-speed conflict.

Upthread, the NYT posted a map of the distance covered and the back-and-forth route taken. It wasn't far, like a couple football fields total. That's barely a walking pace, as another poster noted. To throw the contrast more starkly, I said that a serious runner could drop a mile in like 4 minutes, so a couple hundred yards in 8 minutes indicated slow moving, even allowing for back and forth juking.

Then everyone went ape **** about 4 minute miles.
 
arthwollipot said:
I think your interpretation of extremely limited evidence is highly implausible.
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Why? What is inconsistent with the known facts?

How fast were the killers driving? Were they cruising at 5 mph, perhaps with some easy listening or jazz playing? How exactly does a car chase work against a man on foot?

It doesn't. Just try now, in your mind, to picture exactly how this chase would work. It would be like the freaking Keystone cops, with Charlie Chaplin easily avoiding them.
 
Not much of a runner myself, I surmise that running for your life, especially if it involves looking over one's shoulder and dodging a threatening vehicle, might be a good bit more wearing than jogging, and that accounts of what constitutes exhaustion might be unreliable anyway.
 
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