Today's Mass Shooting

[ahhell]

Some of these homophobic men strike out because they hate their own homosexual desires.

They would not have a history of gay sex that anyone in their family or circle of friends would know about.

When the story broke there were number of stories about his having had a presence on various gay dating sites and what not. The FBI didn't find any evidence of that on any of his personal electronics. Granted you can't prove a negative but it seems the only evidence that he was gay is his ex-wife's suspicions. Aside from that, he literally said he did it to avenge an member of ISIL killed the week before.

It's makes sense on paper. Where is the evidence in real life?

This is a stupid argument in that I don't care. I have an opinion. These are mostly disgruntled white men.

In this case, there is a hint of paranoid schizophrenia.

Where's the evidence? The actual available data on the demographics of these murders. Where is the evidence that they are disproportionately white? You have an opinion that you still maintain despite the evidence. Would you consider it a stupid argument if someone were said, "I have an opinion, these are mostly disgruntled black men"?

 

[Checkmite]

2013 Ft. Hood attack

2013 Boston Marathon bombing (two attackers and included shootings)

2015 Garland, TX attempted attack on Draw Mohammed contest (two attackers).

I think these can only be counted as "white" if the initial forum consensus is to provisionally conclude that there's a racist or white supremacist motive.

They can be counted as "white" because Middle Eastern people, including Jews, Arabs, and Persians, are white people.

 

[Scopedog]

See my post above about terrorists and whether Middle Eastern men count as white. By all means include them, I don't care.

It's doesn't change the issue.

I agree that there seems to be a problem with white men seeming to over-represent in examples of a distinct category of mass murder (the often indiscriminant rageful grievance type).

 

[dudalb]

They can be counted as "white" because Middle Eastern people, including Jews, Arabs, and Persians, are white people.

You are right, but pretty clear a lot of racists don't see it that way.

 

[Steve]

You'd almost certainly terribly misinformed about the issue then.

I am open to further education on the topic. Please begin at your convenience.

 

[Ron Obvious]

They can be counted as "white" because Middle Eastern people, including Jews, Arabs, and Persians, are white people.

Only when they are perpetrators, I get the impression.

 

[ahhell]

I agree that there seems to be a problem with white men seeming to over-represent in examples of a distinct category of mass murder (the often indiscriminant rageful grievance type).

I haven't seen any evidence of that presented so far, though I have asked.

You are right, but pretty clear a lot of racists don't see it that way.

Its a matter of what point you're trying to make. If you want most terrorism in the US to be perpetrated by Whites, well then they're white, if you want to prove that most terrorism in the US isn't white they they aren't. Not to say that most terrorism in the US is Islamic terrorism just that a person could shift those crimes around as needed to make what ever point they want.

I don't think most folks wouldn't count Muslims as white when it comes to discussions of white supremecy, white rage, white privilege etc.

 

[ahhell]

You are right, but pretty clear a lot of racists don't see it that way.

They can be counted as "white" because Middle Eastern people, including Jews, Arabs, and Persians, are white people.

Your avatars made this a confusing exchange for me.

 

[Bogative]

The FBI considers it a mass murder when four or more people are killed in a single event.

According to the gun violence archive, this is the sixth mass murder shooting this year.

We are all familiar with the last two, but probably not the first four because they weren't as easily mistaken as white Trump supporters initially.

It has been one white guy, one Middle Eastern guy, and four black guys pulling the trigger.

 

[dudalb]

Your avatars made this a confusing exchange for me.

Why would avatars of Union Generlas make it confusing for you?

 

[dudalb]

The FBI considers it a mass murder when four or more people are killed in a single event.

According to the gun violence archive, this is the sixth mass murder shooting this year.

We are all familiar with the last two, but probably not the first four because they weren't as easily mistaken as white Trump supporters initially.

It has been one white guy, one Middle Eastern guy, and four black guys pulling the trigger.

SO people of color are more violent then whites. Nice way of thinking, guy.

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[Steve]

Why would avatars of Union Generlas make it confusing for you?

Unfamiliarity with the enemy?

 

[Bogative]

SO people of color are more violent then whites. Nice way of thinking, guy.

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Removed incivility in quote

Statistically, yes. You should check out the FBI crime stats to see what they actually say rather than calling people names, you are wildly misinformed.

 

[ahhell]

Why would avatars of Union Generlas make it confusing for you?

I don't pay that much attention to them. I noticed they were union generals. for a second it seemed like you were responding to yourself.

 

[ahhell]

SO people of color are more violent then whites. Nice way of thinking, guy.
Every day you do something to justify even more your place on my "bigot" list.

Seems like a lot of folks don't have much problem with thinking "whites are more violent that people of color".

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Seems like a lot of folks don't have much problem with thinking "whites are more violent that people of color".

Reactionaries are more violent than the general public. Given the history of this country, that often means white people upset that they don't have the upper hand that they think they deserve.

It's hard to deny there's a trend of white supremacist terrorism that is unique to the white population. Likewise for incel misogynistic violence.

 

[William Parcher]

It's being reported that he bought the assault style rifle 6 days prior to the shooting.

 

[ahhell]

Reactionaries are more violent than the general public. Given the history of this country, that often means white people upset that they don't have the upper hand that they think they deserve.

It's hard to deny there's a trend of white supremacist terrorism that is unique to the white population. Likewise for incel misogynistic violence.

That's a bit like saying, "there's a trend in Islamic terrorism that is unique to Muslims." I wouldn't exactly expect an Islamic terrorist to be a Buddhist.

The questions is whether that trend actually exists and if it does, to what extent and whether particular crimes are in fact part of that trend.

The only actual data supplied so far indicates that there is no such trend. Mass shooters don't appear to be any more likely to be white than the general population.

 

[William Parcher]

Daily Mail: Syrian-born shooter was known to FBI and ranted about 'Islamophobes hacking his phone'.

 

[Louden Wilde]

As I see it, we should be talking less about white people calling other white people racist, and more about removing guns from the playing field. This **** is serious.

I agree. But I don't see how that's feasible given the fact that one party will oppose any effort towards removing guns (& restricting purchase) and the US governmental structure (e.g. the senate).