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And Pulse nightclub in Orlando
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And Pulse nightclub in Orlando
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If by media you mean the MSM, of the sources I've read/heard: only his name.
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Yeah, no. This is not about gang banger shoot-ups. That's a different animal, not random strangers, as are serial murderers, usually with sexual sadism at the root. There you have mostly white guys too, of course, except one black guy, Wayne Williams, that killed kids and through them off a bridge.
I agree with the DC snipers, they should be included, so that's 2, one (pair) black and one Asian.
The one female mass murderer, Aileen Wuornos, fits more into the serial murderer category.
If you go to other countries and say, more than a century ago YMMV.
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It doesn't matter who or how many I can name, here's another set of data.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/
The don't define mass shooter but the percentages about the same as the previous link, 54% white.
If you assume all the unknowns are white, its about 60%. Pretty close to the general population.
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Phil made a comment on Twitter yesterday indicating he was safe.
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I think a more interesting comparison would be attempted mass shootings. Otherwise, we're just comparing tactical efficiency and marksmanship.
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Eh, should have phrased my post better. The description of his posts are being portrayed that way on social media. I haven't seen reporting on it and wanted to see if anyone has seen anything that would match that description out there by MSM. My dig at them is more about their angling their coverage for best response rates for their regular viewers, so a lack of info doesn't necessarily mean it isn't out there.
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If we add terrorism in here one could call Middle Eastern men, non-white, I suppose.
In the case of the Pulse, I don't remember, did he call out Allah Akbar or whatever? Seems to me he fit more into the deranged white guy: an anti-gay gay guy. My memory is fuzzy on that one.
The San Bernardino couple also fit into the Middle Eastern terrorists.
I still put all those men into the white category, but if anyone wants to say they are non-white I wouldn't argue
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There is no definition there that I can find what they are including in their data.
I think you're still making up a definition that includes different categories of non-white shooters based on the number of victims.
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2013 Ft. Hood attack
2013 Boston Marathon bombing (two attackers and included shootings)
2015 Garland, TX attempted attack on Draw Mohammed contest (two attackers).
I think these can only be counted as "white" if the initial forum consensus is to provisionally conclude that there's a racist or white supremacist motive.
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One of the largest lone shooter mass murders in US history. No Allah Akbar that I recall.
The American born of Afghan immigrants shooter is hardly what we mean by "white guy". What are you limiting "non-white" to mean?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_nightclub_shooting#Motive
The shooting may have only been coincidental to the night being a popular night for homosexuals. Which goes to my point regarding the news in the first week or so.
The FBI official doubts he was gay, at least there was no direct evidence of it.
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God, why can't people accept the fact that homicidal maniacs come in all colors?
As I said in my post, however, the numbers are consistent with the previous linked site. At least I've attempted to find evidence other than what I can remember.
The current commonly used definition of mass shooting used in the media and by law enforcement is "three or more victims". I grant, that's not what most folks think of when we say mass shooting but it doesn't stop folks from using it when they want to emphasize how common they are.
Doesn't fit what I know to be true.
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Literally all the evidence I can find suggest that mass killers are just as likely to be white as Americans in general.
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See my post above about terrorists and whether Middle Eastern men count as white. By all means include them, I don't care.
It's doesn't change the issue.
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In the context of this discussion, are we or are we not noticing these are all white men?
How about all white men and various indoctrinated Middle Eastern connected men?
I guess black men are all so occupied shooting up their neighborhoods that they don't need to go shoot strangers in a public venue? [ sarcasm alert]
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Some of these homophobic men strike out because they hate their own homosexual desires.
They would not have a history of gay sex that anyone in their family or circle of friends would know about.
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It's makes sense on paper. Where is the evidence in real life?
This is a stupid argument in that I don't care. I have an opinion. These are mostly disgruntled white men.
In this case, there is a hint of paranoid schizophrenia.
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