Today's Mass Shooting

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ponderingturtle said:
Why wouldn't easy commuting distance like 30 miles be nearby?
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Personally, I might call it "near" depending on the context. The distance to become "nearby", IMO, would depend on the prominence of one city in the geographical area. For example, I may call a suburb of NYC "nearby" to NYC if it's a 20 mile distance. If it's being compared to a different NYC suburb, I don't think I would use that term.
 
smartcooky said:
Why are the vast majority of domestic terrorists and spree-shooters in the US white?
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ahhell said:
Because they aren't, at least according to Ben Radford and the Center for Inquiry.

https://centerforinquiry.org/blog/who-are-mass-shooters-mass-shooter-demographics-part-2/

Roughly half spree shooters are white. Aside from that, 70% of Americans are white. Only a racists would expect the majority of domestic terrorists to other than white.
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Norman Alexander said:
Also, their own numbers show that the "white" cohort is the largest of all the groupings by skin-colour for mass-shootings. So they are denying their own numbers. It's logic tortured beyond all reasonable levels. That, or they had a result they wanted to fit the data to. ;)
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ahhell said:
Not really:

The only thing folks don't expect is the "three or more" but that's the definition most commonly used when reporting on mass shootings.

If you're talking about shootings with sat 10 more more victims, those perpetrators may actually be overwhelmingly white, on the other hand, they are so rare as to be useless when trying to draw some meaningful conclusion.

Silly, sure, the white cohort is the largest of all the cohorts, the white cohort is also the largest cohort of the general US population. I posted this in response to the obviously wrong statement that the "vast majority" of such perpetrators were white. The demographics of mass shooters are roughly as white as the US population. The vast majority are male though.
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ponderingturtle said:
Well then what is the definition of indiscriminate when one can clearly discriminate and target a specific group and still be indiscriminate?
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So, are you saying that most folks think, "mass shooting" means a racist mass shooting?

The claim was made that "the vast majority of domestic terrorists and spree shooters" in the use are white. The evidence suggests that that is not true.

Maybe we need a definitions section so we all are talking about the same thing. Because, it seems to me lots of folks in this thread are claiming that white men are especially prone towards violence, especially mass violence. I'm not seeing a lot of evidence for that. I may be misunderstanding the claims though. There also seem to be multiple conversations going on.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Yeah I'm watching my (mostly very progressive and liberal) Facebook feed do a very hilariously obvious 180 walkback on the "LOL I guess the shooter's race was 'taken into custody.' thing.

*Shrugs* Not that it matters as much or in the way that most people think it does.
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Meh, still an accurate criticism IMO. Looking at the video of the guy that got arrested, I'd describe him as white. I doubt the police were saying to him "Before we decide what to do, tell us what your name is!"
 
Thermal said:
FBI reports that they don't think it was a race crime there, either. Discussion ground to a halt.
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As sceptics, we should have learnt our lesson many times over already not to jump to conclusions. The average person today, living in an information bubble as they do, does this, depending on their preferred narratives, but we really, really ought to be above that here.
 
Ron Obvious said:
As sceptics, we should have learnt our lesson many times over already not to jump to conclusions. The average person today, living in an information bubble as they do, does this, depending on their preferred narratives, but we really, really ought to be above that here.
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Church. I've been howling that for years here. Just gets you in trouble. It's a little funny to watch the highly-opinionated-right-out-of-the-gate posters go suddenly quiet, though.
 
Agreed. Its' sort of funny how many people here who make a big deal about how skeptical they are have knee jerk political opinions about an event before the facts are out. I give you police shootings as an example;both left and right here have automatic reactions.
 
TellyKNeasuss said:
Most people would not consider >30 miles to be "nearby".
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To be fair, Table Mesa is way on the south side of Boulder, so that makes it closer to Aurora than, say, Pearl Street. Heck, we lived out in Gunbarrel, and that was a long way from Table Mesa.
 
dudalb said:
Agreed, but that will not keep the bigots from making a big deal about the shooter being of Mideastern descent.
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dudalb said:
Agreed. Its' sort of funny how many people here who make a big deal about how skeptical they are have knee jerk political opinions about an event before the facts are out. I give you police shootings as an example;both left and right here have automatic reactions.
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Thermal said:
Church. I've been howling that for years here. Just gets you in trouble. It's a little funny to watch the highly-opinionated-right-out-of-the-gate posters go suddenly quiet, though.
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Ron Obvious said:
As sceptics, we should have learnt our lesson many times over already not to jump to conclusions. The average person today, living in an information bubble as they do, does this, depending on their preferred narratives, but we really, really ought to be above that here.
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Thermal said:
FBI reports that they don't think it was a race crime there, either. Discussion ground to a halt.
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It would be nice if we could all figure out that there is little purpose in discussing motives in the first week or so after a crime. Frankly, the same is true of any news story, other than "This happened" everything else is likely to be wrong in that first week.

ETA: and all of the punditry is clearly just, "this is how this fits into my previous narrative."
 
I guess it's not really an important aspect of the story but I see a lot reported of "extremist Islamic posts" and "support of isis" being spread. Is there actually any evidence of these out there in the media? I've seen some of his social media posts and none were extremist to me at all. The MSM loves to spin this into whatever will drive the most clicks and views, but would be nice to know more actual facts.
 
rdwight said:
I guess it's not really an important aspect of the story but I see a lot reported of "extremist Islamic posts" and "support of isis" being spread. Is there actually any evidence of these out there in the media? I've seen some of his social media posts and none were extremist to me at all. The MSM loves to spin this into whatever will drive the most clicks and views, but would be nice to know more actual facts.
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You are confusing the MSM with right wing newsites and sources.
 
crescent said:
For whatever it is worth:

‘Very Anti-Social’: Suspect in Boulder Supermarket Massacre Was Paranoid, Brother Says

If true, then I suppose it may be less socially divisive than if the shooter were motivated by politics or religion or such. It is still early though, presumably more information will come out.

Given his middle eastern-sounding name, I also expect heaping tons of misinformation as well. We live in the era when poorly thought out conspiracy theories usually have more impact than any truthful reality, I expect that will hold true for this occurrence as well.
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That really suggests paranoid schizophrenia.

Wonder when/where this guy got his gun?
 
ahhell said:
I would love to see some actual data to support the notion that politically and racially motivated killings are disproportionately committed by one race particularly in the US.

I fully expect that they are and that that race is white, but I suspect that it will be difficult to show that more than about 70% of such killings are committed by white people.
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Name one non-white mass shooter in the US that you are aware of. Other than the Asian guy who shot up Virginia Tech, I don't recall a single one.


I probably have selective memory.
 
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