Homeopathetic gains PSA accreditation

steenkh said:
Believers likewise normally do not know how the sequential dilutions lead to not a single molecule of the remedy being left in the solution.
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And the so-called "remedies" aren't even remedies themselves. Duck liver is for treating flu for example. Duck liver has no role in causing or curing flu.
 
Caroline13 said:
If you have not used them and had some degree of success then how can one speak with any authority.
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By looking at the results of carefully conducted testing.

Personal, anecdotal experience often leads to the wrong conclusion, due to cognitive biases (particularly confirmation bias). That's why it was necessary to invent the scientific method.
 
Pixel42 said:
There is no science to it, science is what proved it did not work. The fact that many people still think it works is irrelevant. They are simply wrong.
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I have to disagree.
It works wonderfully for its intended purpose - separating the gullible from as much of their money as possible.
 
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Caroline13 said:
I'd rather support what I use any day in my long life that give my money to big pharma and their toxic drugs.

If you have not used them and had some degree of success then how can one speak with any authority.

Just blasting off what one knows of nothing. And yes I've tried some over the years that didn't do what I had hoped for, but that is TRUE with all medicines...

I've had my share of damage from big pharma drug, a trip to ER from one drug turned my mind around and this was in the 80's.
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Yeah, glad to get a sensible scientific voice to counter all the neighsayers. Unfortunately my scientific knowledge is not good enough but I am sure you can help.

Can you please explain the science behind Homeopathic grafting and

We know like cures like but what triggers the reaction. Is it the active molecules in the tablet? If it is the inactive molecules how does that work, scientifically?
 
fishbob said:
I have to disagree.
It works wonderfully for its intended purpose - separating the gullible from as much of their money as possible.
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That's a little unfair, I think. If you read about Hahnemann he does seem to have been trying to do science, or what passed for it back then. Reading about his work and the trajectory it took, you can almost cry as you watch him grab hold of the wrong end of the stick and run straight down a blind alley with it.

I think the majority of homeopaths are equally well meaning. They have less excuse than Hahnemann because the information that proves them wrong is freely available, but the belief that personal experience is a better source of reliable information than decades of careful scientific investigation is pervasive . Most people don't even know what cognitive biases are, and have no understanding of why anecdotal evidence is so unreliable.
 
Caroline13 said:
No it's not plain water, there is a science behind it and "like cures", and plain water to sleep, I'd be up all night. After menopause FOR ME and more chronic pain from OA and damaged surgery, my sleep went downhill, now at 82 I sleep 8-10 good deep hrs...and also in the whole mix is a HGH homeopathic gel I've been using for 2 yrs, my daughter and I, she 2.5 yrs, me 2 yrs.

Sleep issues are major in our population and it's sad and very pathetic as it's so needed for healing. And to increase HGH as we age.

No it's NOT plain water.

We have a Homeopathic pharmacy in our town and they are major in homeopathics and all medicines, outside pharma, and they have been in business here since 1948, they were my first go to when I moved here 55 yrs. ago.
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Citations needed, please? There is nothing I recognise as science, nor even healthcare, involved. So enlighten me, do? Unless we are counting deliberate use of placebo, which is not regarded as ethical over here.

Glad to see someone mentioned Boiron and their millions and billions of euros profit: would this be Big Sugar or Big Water?

The argument, given in a later post, about popularity reminds me of the one about flies and faecal matter...
 
Pixel42 said:
That's a little unfair, I think. If you read about Hahnemann he does seem to have been trying to do science, or what passed for it back then. Reading about his work and the trajectory it took, you can almost cry as you watch him grab hold of the wrong end of the stick and run straight down a blind alley with it.

I think the majority of homeopaths are equally well meaning. They have less excuse than Hahnemann because the information that proves them wrong is freely available, but the belief that personal experience is a better source of reliable information than decades of careful scientific investigation is pervasive . Most people don't even know what cognitive biases are, and have no understanding of why anecdotal evidence is so unreliable.
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One can argue that what Hahnemann was doing was in some respects less harmful than a lot of standard "medical" practice at the time, but that's about as far as it goes and only for his time.

Anyone advocating homeopathy now has deliberately, wilfully ignored all standard science and medicine and that alone takes them away from "well meaning": why not undertake nursing or medical or physio or psychology or pharmacy or whatever training instead? No one makes them become homeopaths, they decide to follow the grift, rather than do the hard work involved in all the standard training. Why is that?
 
Caroline13 said:
I'd rather support what I use any day in my long life that give my money to big pharma and their toxic drugs.


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In the UK lots of the homeopathic treatments for sale i.e to make money are produced by large “drug” companies with turnovers in hundreds of millions of euros. Why are those companies different to “other” big pharma?
 
And if we are going to trade anecdotes...Teh Ebil Pig Farmer is keeping me alive with his nasty toxic drugs, which are minimising my cardiac problems and letting me have some sort of a life rather than being dead, which is a damn sight more than any homeopath can do.
 
I get it more and more on this one, the Skeptics group, and I too have skeptics about other things in life but on different medicines, protocols, therapies throughout the world, I believe and have used many others, and I count homeopathy as one of my great medicines in my life. For a while I was a member of a strictly homeopathic forum and these people had a hard time believing how so much of the world used toxic drugs.

So with life and all things it's choices and what works in our lives.

Just thinking too, the Royals have used homeopathy since the beginning of it's inception, true? They most likely used more than one type medicine.

Peace out members.
 
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Carrot Flower King said:
And if we are going to trade anecdotes...Teh Ebil Pig Farmer is keeping me alive with his nasty toxic drugs, which are minimising my cardiac problems and letting me have some sort of a life rather than being dead, which is a damn sight more than any homeopath can do.
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That is GOOD, and many of the world uses several or more type medicines to keep them in good health and alive.
 
Caroline13 said:
That is GOOD, and many of the world uses several or more type medicines to keep them in good health and alive.
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Except, of course, the various herbs and mostly distilled water do not work.

Smallpox has been completely and utterly eradicated by vaccination.

After centuries of using Ayurvedic medicine in India life expectancy was a constant 25 years. With a slow acceptance of science based medicine starting about 1920, life expectancy is now now close to 70.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1041383/life-expectancy-india-all-time/
 
Pixel42 said:
Some of the types of medicine used keep them in good health and alive. Homeopathy is not one of them.
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You believe what you choose to and those of us who believe in homeopathy will do the same. It's good to be skeptical but it's good to keep an open mind too.
 
Caroline13 said:
You believe what you choose to and those of us who believe in homeopathy will do the same. It's good to be skeptical but it's good to keep an open mind too.
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Modern medicine works DESPITE whatever you believe. Homeopathy works only IF you believe.

There's an old saying: Skeptics keep an open mind. But not so open that their brains fall out.
 
Caroline13 said:
You believe what you choose to and those of us who believe in homeopathy will do the same. It's good to be skeptical but it's good to keep an open mind too.
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Keeping an open mind means being open to the possibility of something provided there is evidence for it.

It is not open minded to accept anything without evidence.

For example, I could say that my depression (yes, I do suffer from depression) has been cured by magical pixies that live in my ear.

Is it open minded to accept that this is accurate and that magic ear pixies cure depression? I'm sure you would laugh at the very idea, and you would be right to!

Only problem is, homeopathy has been subject to far more intesive testing than magic ear pixies and has been found time and again to not be efficatious for treating anything beyond that of random chance/the placebo effect.

It has been shown, in clinical trial after clinical trial that homeopathy just doesn't work. Therefore if you continue to believe in homeopathy this is no longer being open minded. The truly open minded person would look at the evidence and think that their own personal anecdotes must be mistaken. The person who believes their own anecdotes over the evidence is not only closed minded, they are actively engaging in confirmation bias.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
Keeping an open mind means being open to the possibility of something provided there is evidence for it.

It is not open minded to accept anything without evidence.

For example, I could say that my depression (yes, I do suffer from depression) has been cured by magical pixies that live in my ear.

Is it open minded to accept that this is accurate and that magic ear pixies cure depression? I'm sure you would laugh at the very idea, and you would be right to!

Only problem is, homeopathy has been subject to far more intesive testing than magic ear pixies and has been found time and again to not be efficatious for treating anything beyond that of random chance/the placebo effect.

It has been shown, in clinical trial after clinical trial that homeopathy just doesn't work. Therefore if you continue to believe in homeopathy this is no longer being open minded. The truly open minded person would look at the evidence and think that their own personal anecdotes must be mistaken. The person who believes their own anecdotes over the evidence is not only closed minded, they are actively engaging in confirmation bias.
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There are homeopathic for depression.

I struggled for 10 yrs with clinical depression and it was a sluggish thyroid that went undetected by a bunch of STUPID doctors and all they kept doing was slapping me with A/D drugs..this went on for 10 ugly years. Talk about being drugged for 10 yrs with A/D's that did NOTHING. Only made pharma fatter $$$. A dsyfunctional thyroid is a major one with depression and a very inexpensive drug vs A/D's that the docs give out like candy.

Once my good ole D.O. took charge he put me on Armour thyroid, no labs nadda, and the 10 yrs of depression lifted, gone.

Then a few yrs later some lowness hit me and I found how deficient I was in Vit D and got that fixed and no depression for over 15 yrs or so.

I have found in my long life, a LOT of worthless MD's..deep pockets for sure.

And so many go without optimal thyroid support from dumb doctors who believe we are numbers and not symptoms. Don't give thyroid support, give the wrong one, or don't give the right strength and dose.
 
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Caroline13 said:
There are homeopathic for depression.

I struggled for 10 yrs with clinical depression and it was a sluggish thyroid that went undetected by a bunch of STUPID doctors and all they kept doing was slapping me with A/D drugs..this went on for 10 ugly years. Talk about being drugged for 10 yrs with A/D's that did NOTHING. Only made pharma fatter $$$.

Once my good ole D.O. took charge he put me on Armour thyroid, no labs nadda, and the 10 yrs of depression lifted, gone.

Then a few yrs later some lowness hit me and I found how deficient I was in Vit D and got that fixed and no depression for over 15 yrs or so.
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I notice that you not only completely ignored the substance of my post to push quack fake medicine that does nothing, but you managed to wonderfully prove that the homeopathic rubbish you took for your "depression" did not work.

What you had was vitamin D deficiency. This can certainly lead to low moods and is a deeply unpleasant condition. It is not Major Depression with suicidal ideation, which is what I have, and is being managed wonderfully by anti-depressant drugs. Drugs which may not have helped you because you didn't actually have depression in the first place.


Now, do you believe me regarding magical ear pixies curing depression, yes or no? If no, why do you see a difference between being "open minded" regarding ear pixies and being "open minded" regarding magic water?
 
No when I started on my depression mess it was 1991 and I hardly knew anything about homeopathics...and went to docs to trust them to help me.

I've learned so much since then and you Mark Corrigan have no clue where I've been but I'm sharing some of what I've been thru.

You brought up depression.
 
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