Fox News goes totally insane over Covid-19

[Brainster]

Indeed. Today's USA is a backward nation far behind others culturally.

And New York is the most backward state in the USA.

 

[Arcade22]

It is possible to beat this virus, it just takes the willingness to do it from both the Government and the people. Everywhere would be virus-free in two months if they were willing to do what it takes to win.

The Dunning Kruger effect is strong in this one.

 

[smartcooky]

The Dunning Kruger effect is strong in this one.

Explain why you think that is so?

 

[dann]

Otherwise he would have to give up his belief in the supremacy of Swedish science and ethics, so it's his way of coping with the cognitive dissonance of, on the one hand, the claims of the Swedish pandemic strategy and, on the other hand, the reality of the Swedish pandemic strategy.

 

[Cavemonster]

And New York is the most backward state in the USA.

How so?

It has the highest GPD per capita of the 50 states.
It's well above average for high school graduation rates, student aptitude, quality of life, healthcare outcomes.

I suspect you just mean, they collect a lot in taxes.

I would alternately say that the most backward states are the ones with the lowest graduation rates, the lowest standard of living, the lowest median incomes, the highest ratio of federal spending to federal taxes paid. You know who they are.

 

[smartcooky]

How so?

It has the highest GPD per capita of the 50 states.
It's well above average for high school graduation rates, student aptitude, quality of life, healthcare outcomes.

I suspect you just mean, they collect a lot in taxes.

Or too many librulz!!

I would alternately say that the most backward states are the ones with the lowest graduation rates, the lowest standard of living, the lowest median incomes, the highest ratio of federal spending to federal taxes paid. You know who they are.

Oooh, Let me guess... Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, New Mexico, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia and West Virginia?

 

[Arcade22]

Explain why you think that is so?

Non-experts making incredibly strong claims that are contradicted by actual experts is the kind of behaviour that ranks very high on the Dunning-Kruger scale.

Perhaps the most obvious issue is that they assume that what happens on some irrelevant and isolated Island in the Pacific Ocean is relevant to the rest of the world. No expert would make that kind dumbass assumption.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Non-experts making incredibly strong claims that are contradicted by actual experts is the kind of behaviour that ranks very high on the Dunning-Kruger scale.

Perhaps the most obvious issue is that they assume that what happens on some irrelevant and isolated Island in the Pacific Ocean is relevant to the rest of the world. No expert would make that kind dumbass assumption.

Because New Zealand doesn't have average white folks from northern Europe as a major proportion of their inhabitants. New Zealanders are all little flightless birds with long beaks.

Please try not to be so condescending. NZ has a predominantly white northern European population. They are a very good analogue for Scandinavia.

 

[Arcade22]

Because New Zealand doesn't have average white folks from northern Europe as a major proportion of their inhabitants. New Zealanders are all little flightless birds with long beaks.

Please try not to be so condescending. NZ has a predominantly white northern European population. They are a very good analogue for Scandinavia.

Except for the "irrelevant and isolated Island" part of course, but who the hell cares about that?

 

[Norman Alexander]

Except for the "irrelevant and isolated Island" part of course, but who the hell cares about that?

New Zealand cares about that. And NZ has about 50% of the population of Sweden. So it's not that insignificant by comparison.

 

[Arcade22]

New Zealand cares about that.

Yeah but they should realize that their geographic isolation means that they are highly exceptional in terms of their ability to reduce the introduction of infectious diseases.

And NZ has about 50% of the population of Sweden. So it's not that insignificant by comparison.

It's not about population. It's about geography. To demonstrate this lets not forget that there's a Nordic country that is similar to Sweden but has come out of this pandemic very lightly: It's called Iceland and guess what? It's an irrelevant island in the middle of nowhere too.

The distance from Stockholm to Rome is shorter than the distance Auckland is from Sydney. Oh people people actually live in between.

 

[smartcooky]

Except for the "irrelevant and isolated Island" part of course, but who the hell cares about that?

Here the thing that you miss. This whole planet is an "isolated island". If the whole planet did what was necessary, i.e. to shut down and isolate for a period exceeding the maximum life cycle of the virus, i.e. from entry, though genome replication, to exit, the virus would have no hosts to spread to after the exit - it will die out.

It is the human race's inability to agree to co-operate 100% in times of need that will be our undoing.

There is no DK in this at all - Phantom Wolf was 100% correct in what he said.


Here is some remedial reading for you about how a Europe-wide pandemic was stopped!

https://www.theweek.co.uk/76088/what-was-black-death-and-how-did-it-end

"The most popular theory of how the plague ended is through the implementation of quarantines. The uninfected would typically remain in their homes and only leave when it was necessary, while those who could afford to do so would leave the more densely populated areas and live in greater isolation"

Sad that they were able to work this out in 1666, but 350 years later, we seem to have forgotten.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Yeah but they should realize that their geographic isolation means that they are highly exceptional in terms of their ability to reduce the introduction of infectious diseases.

Except that we have had it introduced here multiple times already, including once where there were virtually no regions of the country without cases. We got it under control, not because we are isolated from the rest of the world, but because we were willing to isolate ourselves from each other.

It's not about population. It's about geography. To demonstrate this lets not forget that there's a Nordic country that is similar to Sweden but has come out of this pandemic very lightly: It's called Iceland and guess what? It's an irrelevant island in the middle of nowhere too.

The distance from Stockholm to Rome is shorter than the distance Auckland is from Sydney. Oh people people actually live in between.

It doesn't matter. Get those people into isolation inside their homes, and the virus has no ability to spread beyond those isolated groups. Keep the groups isolated long enough for the life cycle of the virus to be surpassed and those groups that are healthy can be allowed to resume limited time outside of isolation. As the groups that still contain the virus have it burn out inside of their isolated members, then they too can return to the rest of society. As long as it is made sure that no infected people enter the uninfected society group, the virus will be gone within a few life cycles. Add to this a major testing and contact tracing program that will identify and isolate anyone that becomes infected outside of isolation, and you can control outbreaks in the uninfected community as well. This is what we did here. It works, it works incredibly well, but it does take a coordinated effort with everyone willing to play their part in it. That's where the US and Europe are failing, in getting everyone on board to do something about it and making the sacrifice to do it.

The UK is about to do a 4-week lockdown. Let's see who is right.

 

[smartcooky]

It doesn't matter. Get those people into isolation inside their homes, and the virus has no ability to spread beyond those isolated groups. Keep the groups isolated long enough for the life cycle of the virus to be surpassed and those groups that are healthy can be allowed to resume limited time outside of isolation. As the groups that still contain the virus have it burn out inside of their isolated members, then they too can return to the rest of society. As long as it is made sure that no infected people enter the uninfected society group, the virus will be gone within a few life cycles. This is what we did here. It works, it works incredibly well, it just takes a coordinated effort with everyone willing to play their part in it. That's where the US and Europe are failing, in getting everyone on board to do something about it and making the sacrifice to do it.

And we, as a species, MUST learn from this, because sooner or later, a virus is going to come along that is airborne, with an R₀ of 4+, with the fatality rate of Ebola and a non-symptomatic transmission period measured in weeks. If we don't get our **** together quickly when that one arrives, it could come close to wiping us out.

 

[Roger Ramjets]

The UK is about to do a 4-week lockdown. Let's see who is right.

Ireland too.

But see if you can spot the differences between NZ and others countries' lockdowns.

Ireland Goes Into Total Lockdown in Desperate Bid to Save Christmas

Ireland will plunge into the world’s toughest national lockdown on Wednesday in a desperate bid to salvage Christmas. The rest of Europe could be forced to follow...

Level five, by contrast, is essentially a total lockdown with restaurants (and our famous pubs) only open for takeaway; non-essential shops closed; hairdressers and salons closed; all social visits banned; weddings and funerals limited to 25 guests and individuals prohibited from traveling farther than 3 miles from their homes...

The only chink of light is that schools are staying open, for now...

While Martin tried to hold on to the promise of Christmas, he also admitted in his address that the country was effectively set for a cycle of yo-yo lockdowns.

He rejected goals of zero COVID, and herd immunity, instead saying, “We work to suppress the virus when it is growing, and we work to reopen as much of our society and economy as possible when it is safe to do so. Until we have a safe vaccine, we must continue in that pattern.”

'World's toughest national lockdown'. Yeah right.

If the UK's previous lockdowns are anything to go by, their latest one won't be much better. Then people like Arcade22 will point to their failure as proof that lockdowns don't work.

 

[p0lka]

As the Fox lawyers have successfully argued in Court:
you would have to be an idiot to take any of the Fox Hosts seriously.

Haha indeed.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Yeah but they should realize that their geographic isolation means that they are highly exceptional in terms of their ability to reduce the introduction of infectious diseases.

No. Plenty of places are island countries. For example, Japan, the Philippines, and Indonesia. And yet their outcome has been significantly different to NZ and to each other.

It's not about population. It's about geography. To demonstrate this lets not forget that there's a Nordic country that is similar to Sweden but has come out of this pandemic very lightly: It's called Iceland and guess what? It's an irrelevant island in the middle of nowhere too.

I guess 260 million people in Indonesia hardly cut it either. But do go on!

The distance from Stockholm to Rome is shorter than the distance Auckland is from Sydney. Oh people people actually live in between.

Again, irrelevant. For NZ, the main port of entry for any diseases will be by air, then arrivals by ship. Ditto for Australia, and all the above-mentioned countries. For island countries, air-travel is a bonus, and a curse. The air routes between Australia and NZ have been some of the busiest in the world until earlier this year. Essentially domestic routes. Which is why NZ imposed the strictest lockdowns on airport arrivals...still does, actually.

 

[Arcade22]

Except that we have had it introduced here multiple times already, including once where there were virtually no regions of the country without cases. We got it under control, not because we are isolated from the rest of the world, but because we were willing to isolate ourselves from each other.

How about you get an education instead of thinking you are entitled to educated the rest of the world of how we should just do whatever you say, just because New Zealand happened to have a far lower initial case load that most of Europe? You are literally acting like the worst kind of self-righteous arm-chair expert.

 

[smartcooky]

How about you get an education instead of thinking you are entitled to educated the rest of the world of how we should just do whatever you say, just because New Zealand happened to have a far lower initial case load that most of Europe? You are literally acting like the worst kind of self-righteous arm-chair expert.

You really do know nothing!

 

[Arcade22]

Again, irrelevant.

Then how come every time an epidemiologist has talked about New Zealand they have made sure to mention that it's an isolated island nation and thus it's far easier to control the spread of contagious diseases? Are they wrong?

Nah, I'm guessing it's Dunning-Kruger again. It seems contagious.