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Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 23

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Matthew Best said:
I read on Twitter that the actual head count was a bit more than 6,000.
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Propaganda machines, such as Townhall.com are saying the arena was packed and that millions watched...
The Trump regime is claiming low turnout due to "radical protestors."

They are so shocked by the numbers that they can't even coordinate their lies about it.
 
Segnosaur said:
The first question at the next press conference (or debate or whatever) should be "over 100,000 people died... Do you think it is appropriate to make Covid19 jokes?" Act like it wasn't a lie and make Stubby Mcbonespurs try to defend himself.
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I'm quoting this here rather than the thread it was posted in because I don't want my reply to derail that thread.

If trump was asked if it was too early to make jokes about coronavirus he'd probably just ignore the question. Or insult the questioner and then ignore it. Thursday at a press conference, after ripping John Bolton as a 'wacko" and "a liar," a reporter called out, "Why do you keep hiring wackos and liars?" trump ignored it.
President Donald Trump stared in silence on Thursday afternoon when CBS News reporter Paula Reid asked him why he keeps hiring "wackos" and "liars," referencing the president's own label for his former national security adviser John Bolton... Quote on Rachel Maddow telecast
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newyorkguy said:
first question at the next press conference (or debate or whatever) should be "over 100,000 people died... Do you think it is appropriate to make Covid19 jokes?" Act like it wasn't a lie and make Stubby Mcbonespurs try to defend himself.
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If trump was asked if it was too early to make jokes about coronavirus he'd probably just ignore the question. Or insult the questioner and then ignore it.
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Yes trump might ignore the question. But it might still embarrass him, and put the question in people's minds... "Why is he joking about tragedy"

Besides, not like you were actually going to learn anything useful at his press conference.
Thursday at a press conference, after ripping John Bolton as a 'wacko" and "a liar," a reporter called out, "Why do you keep hiring wackos and liars?" trump ignored it.
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Yes he did. But it was still an embarrassment.

Plus, wasn't that sort of a last minute shout out by a reporter rather than a direct question? Put the question in a debate, or some sort of interview, and it is much harder to ignore.




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Captain_Swoop said:
Statement from the Tom Petty estate over the use of his music at the Trump Rally.

They aren't happy.
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Twitter replies with photos of Tom in confederate hat from 40 years ago and ‘he got paid,’ which is true, if venues still get access to music like the Bulls got that Alan Parsons song... which he doesn’t see any new money from until someone wants to use it in a movie or on tv. Catalog contracts only pay artists when they go in, iirc.
 
Of course you were joking, Mr. President.

After all, who can forget how hard America laughed when President Wilson gave his 1919 State of the Union address (more informally known as the Olé-virus speech).

And people still laugh at FDR’s “You just might be landing in Normandy.” comedy album. (If you find yourself asking what’s the SPF of human blood, you just might be landing in Normandy).
 
newyorkguy said:
...If trump was asked if it was too early to make jokes about coronavirus he'd probably just ignore the question. Or insult the questioner and then ignore it. Thursday at a press conference, after ripping John Bolton as a 'wacko" and "a liar," a reporter called out, "Why do you keep hiring wackos and liars?" trump ignored it.
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I think most political analysts have concluded the reason trump does things like calling out Bolton as a "wacko and liar" is really just to evade having to answer Bolton's criticisms in any substantive form. trump doesn't want to answer a question such as, "Did you ask Xi Jinping to buy U.S. soybeans to help you in 2020?" How could trump answer it other than to deny it, only that would put him on the defensive which is where he doesn't want to be. Thus to avoid that whole scenario trump calls Bolton names and ridicules him.

trump's whole history in office is never being honest with the American people. Never candidly discussing matters for which he, trump, has been criticized for. He has no intention of ever leveling with the American people. trump doesn't just use ridicule to puff himself up, it's a way of avoiding ever having to respond in a serious, substantive way to anything that casts him in a bad light.

It' not only despicable that trump does that, it's both un-American and anti-democratic. He only gets away with it because his supporters allow it. In other words, if Sean Hannity ever tried to pin him down it's over.

  • Sean Hannity "Mr. president, in his book John Bolton makes the accusation that you repeatedly used the power of the United States Government to try and benefit yourself politically. How do you respond to that sir?"
  • trump "Sean, Bolton is an outrageous fake and liar..."
  • Hannity "You hired him as your National Security Adviser..."
  • trump "Big mistake!'
  • Haannity "But why would he say that, that you tried to use..."
  • trump "I'm telling you why. To sell his book."
  • Hannity "But sir, with all due respect, this is a charge that keeps coming up. That you use the power of the United States government to try and benefit..."
  • trump "And it's a lie!"
  • Hannity "But last summer you did announce that China had agreed to purchase more soybeans from the U.S. Can I read you what you tweeted?"

But that will never happen. And if it did, trump would bloviate, probably end the interview and never appear with Sean Hannity again. trump undoubtedly knows, if his supporters ever tire of him, ever begin to allow themselves to see him for what he is, his political career would be over in a Miami minute.
 
Garrison said:
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Apologies if this has already been posted, but one suggested reason for the empty arena is that teens have been getting tickets in order to deny them to other people
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Seems like desperate flailing for excuses. On the other hand if it is true that implies some seriously organized opposition and does not bode well for his campaign.
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I've seen tweets of tiktok videos showing loads of teens - especially KPop fans doing this. Saying how they accidentally ordered several seats at the rally and that they cannot make it because they are "walking their gecko, vacuuming the beach, watching a film" that day.

Also that they gave fake email addresses that didn't need to be verified.

So it could just be viral coupled with really dodgy IT.
 
No tweet for more than 12 hours.!! I predict a huge ********* of tweets!
 
Safe-Keeper said:
I'm at a loss for words. That was... I just saw the President of the United States get cheered by his adoring fans for drinking a glass of water. What...

November can't come fast enough.
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Full-blown Idiocracy. We thought the movie was fiction, but it actually defined a new form of government. The idiots have seized political power.

Actually, Trump will be the least of our worries. What happens when someone who is competent, who doesn't say the silent parts out loud, uses Trump's playbook to coalesce political power?
 
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In regards to the people who just reserved tickets to make it look like there was going to be a huge crowd, it seems to me like the reservation system is pretty stupid.

If you want to prevent that, attendees with reservations should have to pay a nominal fee. That would kill attempts at doing fake reservations. Heck, even do a tiered system - $10 to get a guaranteed spot (maybe sell like half the space for those), and then $1 to be let in on a first come first serve basis for remaining/outdoor space.
 
abaddon said:
No. There is no reason for anyone to go to those lengths. It's not like they were validating the identity of people requesting tickets, they were just handing them out to anyone requesting one or more tickets. You could go in as Jane Doe of Baku, Azerbaijan (I hear it's lovely this time of year) and request 100 tickets and get them.

There is no reason for any identity theft of any sort.
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Yes, apparently the email addresses weren't even validated.
 
timhau said:
The crowd would have been small enough to do social distancing. Of course, all the morons are packed on the floor, and the upper deck is entirely empty.
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And if they had spread themselves out, it would probably make the arena look fuller.
 
bonzombiekitty said:
In regards to the people who just reserved tickets to make it look like there was going to be a huge crowd, it seems to me like the reservation system is pretty stupid.



If you want to prevent that, attendees with reservations should have to pay a nominal fee. That would kill attempts at doing fake reservations.
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Wouldn't even have to do that.

Just
- limit the tickets that can be ordered at one time to 2 (ie no big orders). For people wanting to order more provide a phone contact for people to call in
- do email verification of orders
- use cookies and IP address checks to make it harder to re-order from the same computer

It would not eliminate the problem of people making "fake" orders but it would slow it down. (If you have to jump through hoops to order tickets you can't use you will be less likely to try.)



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Segnosaur said:
Wouldn't even have to do that.

Just
- limit the tickets that can be ordered at one time to 2 (ie no big orders). For people wanting to order more provide a phone contact for people to call in
- do email verification of orders
- use cookies and IP address checks to make it harder to re-order from the same computer

It would not eliminate the problem of people making "fake" orders but it would slow it down. (If you have to jump through hoops to order tickets you can't use you will be less likely to try.)



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There's no limit to the number of tickets available and the Trump Campaign wants to be able to boast about demand so there's no incentive for them to change their process.

The issue in this case is that only 6,000 or so could be bothered to actually turn out.
 
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