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Kerry: US troops are terrorists

Jocko said:
Funny thing is, I totally agree too. My point was that had that "careless" remark been made from the oval office, there would be a dozen threads here screaming for impeachment.

That, and I wanted to see how much I could spike Mark's blood pressure.
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Jocko said:
You know, if this kind of thing was the exception, I'd write it off as an isolated bozo moment, like I used to do with Dean. But the fact of the matter is that it's becoming increasingly clear that this kind of statement is indeed becoming DNC policy.

And of course the usual suspects, who were apoplectic over Bush calling a reporter an @sshole, will give Kerry a pass for calling US soldiers terrorists.

If the political divide is determined to widen, so be it. Just makes it easier to see which side I should be on.
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Yep - as do the IMO weak attempts to excuse him by apologists (eg some of the replies here). It was a stupid thing to say; just admit it already.

However, I'm determined not to get into this "it's us or them" black-and-white (err red and blue) oversimplification gibberish, and refuse to simply vote for a party. That's stupid no matter which side you're on. I'll vote for the candidate every time. I just wonder if the Dems can come up w/one worth even considering. I briefly thought they had with Kerry when he first emerged from the pack......good gravy did he prove me wrong.
 
Jocko said:
Yes, that's precisely the same thing. Thanks for the contribution. :rolleyes:
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Let's see: Mechinically placing "-ist" behind a verb to arive at a noun, ignoring that it's got a different meaning. Yes, it is precisely the same thing. It was my pleasure BTW.
 
Kerberos said:
Let's see: Mechinically placing "-ist" behind a verb to arive at a noun, ignoring that it's got a different meaning. Yes, it is precisely the same thing. It was my pleasure BTW.
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Well, you see, "race" was actually a noun, as it used there. That, and it's a different definition. What you got there is a homonym. You may as well used "raise" or "rays" with a lisp and arrived at the same thing. So you see, that's really not an honest comparison unless you're assuming Kerry meant to say "tear her eyes" instead "terrorize."

And to think people are calling me a troll on this.... sheesh.
 
Natural language is noncompositional--you cannot properly describe the meaning of a word or phrase simply by breaking it down into smaller components. Notably, terrorize and terrorist are separate lexemes, with the latter implying a systematic use of terror in pursuit of some goal, not simply 'one who terrorizes.'

If it was a stupid thing to say, it was stupid only in that he overestimated the rationality of his political opponents. But if he had assumed that his opponents would make so fundamental an error, he would have failed the popular 'racism of lower expectations' test that some here are so fond of.

So take your pick: "John Kerry: he says our troops are terrorists," or "John Kerry: totally racist against conservatives." It's a wonder so few well-intentioned people go into politics, isn't it?
 
Jocko said:
Well, you see, "race" was actually a noun as it used there
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Race is a noun, races is a verb.
Jocko said:
. That, and it's a different definition. What you got there is a homonym. You may as well used "raise" or "rays" with a lisp and arrived at the same thing. So you see, that's really not an honest comparison unless you're assuming Kerry meant to say "tear her eyes" instead "terrorize."
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It's a perfectly honest comparison, if you look up terrorism in dictionary.com you'll find that it is not defined as "the act of terrorizing" or any such thing. it's defined as "The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons." The fact that the word terrorist comes from the word to terrorize doesn't change the fact that they simply don't mean the same thing.
Jocko said:
And to think people are calling me a troll on this.... sheesh.
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Ohh, won't people let you get away with blatant dishonesty, without calling you on it? Poor baby.
 
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Well, starting out with a fallacy of equivocation to present a headline that implies Kerry equates our troops with the same kind of terrorists that attacked us, is not a good start if you suddenly want to make a more reasonable point when you get called on your inflammatory remarks. Not a very good persuasive technique.
 
gnome said:
Well, starting out with a fallacy of equivocation to present a headline that implies Kerry equates our troops with the same kind of terrorists that attacked us, is not a good start if you suddenly want to make a more reasonable point when you get called on your inflammatory remarks. Not a very good persuasive technique.
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Jocko totally copied American.
 
Melendwyr said:
Is there any evidence that one is a sock-puppet of the other - or even a third poster?
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Well, I suspect Jocko's sudden activity is spurred by the "calls to arms" resulting from the latest polls showing that the brainwashing administered at the last election is wearing off.

But I don't think that makes him "American". In several ways, in fact.
 
jj said:
Well, I suspect Jocko's sudden activity is spurred by the "calls to arms" resulting from the latest polls showing that the brainwashing administered at the last election is wearing off.

But I don't think that makes him "American". In several ways, in fact.
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I suspect that's a load of BS and the kind woo crap that makes people ignore other people's opinions.
 
gnome said:
Well, starting out with a fallacy of equivocation to present a headline that implies Kerry equates our troops with the same kind of terrorists that attacked us, is not a good start if you suddenly want to make a more reasonable point when you get called on your inflammatory remarks. Not a very good persuasive technique.
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Overstatement acknowledged. But the deafening silence from our more-than-ample leftist contingent here regarding the substance of the remarks is more telling than my personal gaffe.

Kerry presented a picture of jack-booted thugs kicking down doors to terrorize innocents. Is that really what our liberal posters here think is happening? If so, how about taking it a notch above the junior senator from Massachussetts and actually providing a lick of evidence?
 
jj said:
Well, I suspect Jocko's sudden activity is spurred by the "calls to arms" resulting from the latest polls showing that the brainwashing administered at the last election is wearing off.

But I don't think that makes him "American". In several ways, in fact.
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JJ, why not do the smart thing and go back to spamming the same line over and over again? That never gets old or uninsteresting. Have another sip of Kool Aid while you're at it.
 
Melendwyr said:
Is there any evidence that one is a sock-puppet of the other - or even a third poster?
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Paranoid much? Of course, you're fungible with Manifesto, AUP, Orwell, Fool, or any of the other assertively "correct-thinkers" here. You know, the ones who hear a former candidate say our troops are behaving like nazis and simply nod in silent agreement.
 
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