Kerry: US troops are terrorists

[geni]

Overstatement acknowledged. But the deafening silence from our more-than-ample leftist contingent here regarding the substance of the remarks is more telling than my personal gaffe.

Kerry presented a picture of jack-booted thugs kicking down doors to terrorize innocents. Is that really what our liberal posters here think is happening? If so, how about taking it a notch above the junior senator from Massachussetts and actually providing a lick of evidence?

He doesn't do that. The word jack-booted doesn't appear in the article and he doesn't say that terroriseing people is the reason for breaking down doors.

Nightime (and dawn) raids are a standard policeing tool for a random example outside iraq see:
http://www.expatica.com/source/site...uspects+held+in+raidslinked+to+suicide+bomber

Kerry is correct that as long as it is US forces doing these raids Iraqis will see them as the big bad occupies. Hopefuly once the raids are being done be Iraqis people will be more preparded to accept them as standard policeing activity

 

[geni]

Paranoid much? Of course, you're fungible with Manifesto, AUP, Orwell, Fool, or any of the other assertively "correct-thinkers" here. You know, the ones who hear a former candidate say our troops are behaving like nazis and simply nod in silent agreement.

The word nazi does not appear in the article. At worse it accuses the US of behaveing like an occupying force.

 

[jj]

I suspect that's a load of BS and the kind woo crap that makes people ignore other people's opinions.

Here we go again, call the facts "woo woo". The facts are clear, Jocko has run two hit pieces on prominent democrats in very short order. As far as I can tell, out of a clear blue sky, too. The one on Kerry, furthermore, is flat-out deceptive and misrepresentation of what Kerry said.

So what's the "woo woo crap"?

 

[jj]

Paranoid much? Of course, you're fungible with Manifesto, AUP, Orwell, Fool, or any of the other assertively "correct-thinkers" here. You know, the ones who hear a former candidate say our troops are behaving like nazis and simply nod in silent agreement.

Oh, I missed that. Where did he use the word "nazi"?

 

[Melendwyr]

At worse it accuses the US of behaveing like an occupying force.

And since US forces are occupying Iraq, that seems like a fairly straightforward statement.

 

[fishbob]

It's a culture of assuming guilt of US troops, combined with a willingess of certain useful idiots to believe it.

You have made this claim in various forms in various threads. And you can probably show list of quotes from fringe groups and nutbars who act as you describe. But your consistent snide innuendo that this applies to your discussion opponents here is wearing thin. How about trying something new?

 

[fishbob]

Paranoid much? Of course, you're fungible with Manifesto, AUP, Orwell, Fool, or any of the other assertively "correct-thinkers" here. You know, the ones who hear a former candidate say our troops are behaving like nazis and simply nod in silent agreement.

Godwin. Discussion over.

 

[jj]

You have made this claim in various forms in various threads. And you can probably show list of quotes from fringe groups and nutbars who act as you describe. But your consistent snide innuendo that this applies to your discussion opponents here is wearing thin. How about trying something new?

Well, he and the other fascists here have accused me, in the past, of not supporting our troops because I was "anti-War".

I am anti-war in great part because I DO support our troops, but he never let that little fact get in the way of his vilification.

 

[jj]

Godwin. Discussion over.

I missed that. Where did Kerry use the word "nazi"?

 

[Jocko]

You have made this claim in various forms in various threads. And you can probably show list of quotes from fringe groups and nutbars who act as you describe. But your consistent snide innuendo that this applies to your discussion opponents here is wearing thin. How about trying something new?

How about telling me what you think of Kerry's characterization? Dismissing it out of hand is easier, I know, but come on and try just for me, hmm?

 

[jj]

How about telling me what you think of Kerry's characterization? Dismissing it out of hand is easier, I know, but come on and try just for me, hmm?

I missed where Kerry used the word "nazi". Can you help out here?

 

[Grammatron]

Here we go again, call the facts "woo woo". The facts are clear, Jocko has run two hit pieces on prominent democrats in very short order. As far as I can tell, out of a clear blue sky, too. The one on Kerry, furthermore, is flat-out deceptive and misrepresentation of what Kerry said.

So what's the "woo woo crap"?

Well here's your post

Well, I suspect Jocko's sudden activity is spurred by the "calls to arms" resulting from the latest polls showing that the brainwashing administered at the last election is wearing off.

But I don't think that makes him "American". In several ways, in fact.

Feel free to highlite the facts.

 

[Mark]

Well, he and the other fascists here have accused me, in the past, of not supporting our troops because I was "anti-War".

I am anti-war in great part because I DO support our troops, but he never let that little fact get in the way of his vilification.

One of the weirder things in politics today is the way the Right have successfully linked "support for our troops" with a willingness to let them die for no reason.

That's one I will never, ever understand.

 

[fishbob]

How about telling me what you think of Kerry's characterization? Dismissing it out of hand is easier, I know, but come on and try just for me, hmm?

Reading comprehension 101. One way to interpret Kerry's awkward statement is:

1 - You've got to begin to transfer authority to the Iraqis. subject of paragraph.

2 - And there is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night implies that US troops are going into Iraqi homes in the dead of night for some type of enforcement purpose

3 - terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the--of--the historical customs, religious customs. scaring kids and women and violating cultural and religious customs.

4 - Whether you like it or not... Iraqis should be doing that. Iraqis should be doing the enforcing.

I know this is asking a lot, but please try. Compare and contrast this interpretation with yours. Compare this with Kerry's previous positions. Apply reason and logic. See if you can come to some non-rabid, non-snide, non-flaming-partisan interpretation.

I could have written this without snide innuendo, and you can see that I am not the master you are, but - how am I doing?

 

[fishbob]

I missed that. Where did Kerry use the word "nazi"?

Jocko. Jocko used the word 'nazi'. Although he did use the word 'fungible' in the same paragraph - so I gotta give him a little credit.

eta but you used the word 'fascist' shortly thereafter.

 

[demon]

"there is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children"

Oh no Jocko, sounds like their buildings aren`t safe!

 

[Manny]

One of the weirder things in politics today is the way the Right have successfully linked "support for our troops" with a willingness to let them die for no reason.

That's one I will never, ever understand.

Perhaps I can help.

1) We earnestly do not believe that those troops who are dying are doing so in vain or "for no reason," at least as long as we stay and finish the job. Look, the Bush administration overplayed the WMD thing. That's fine, beat them up for that; they took a gamble and lost and deserve it. But the case for war was never a one-legged stool. Don't imagine for a second that a single person on earth believes that WMD alone would have justifed this war. Pakistan has WMD. Russia has WMD. We have WMD. Even other direct threats like Iran and Libya have WMDs or WMD programs. WMD alone did not cause this war. Try this on. Saddam Hussein was a bad person for a host of reasons and could not be allowed to run a pivotal country in the post 9-11 world. That's why we did the war, OK? It's really that simple. The world changed on 9-11 and some threats were previously OK to appease or contain were no longer appeasable or containable. And at the core, in our hearts, we believe that removing Saddam Hussein from Iraq was, is and will be a noble mission.

2) The troops, broadly, do not believe that they are dying for no reason. The anti-war left and its pro-terrorist allies can say that they're for the soldiers all day long; many of them will even be telling the truth as they see it. But the people who are actually in the military, the people who are at risk, overwhelmingly believe in the mission. The soldiers rotating off duty are telling us, when we ask them, that they have fallen in love with the Iraqi people and want them to be as free of the terrorists and criminals and remnant Ba'athists as they now are of Saddam Hussein. They believe that their job is not done, and they want to finish it. Volunteers for return tours are sky-high. Reinlistments are sky-high. It is their earnest belief that the best way to support them is to let them finish their jobs. Read the words of Marine Cpl. Jeffrey Starr, who wrote a letter on his laptop to be delivered to his girlfriend if he were to die on his third tour of duty in Iraq: "I don't regret going, everybody dies but few get to do it for something as important as freedom. It may seem confusing why we are in Iraq, it's not to me. I'm here helping these people, so that they can live the way we live. Not have to worry about tyrants or vicious dictators. To do what they want with their lives. To me that is why I died. Others have died for my freedom, now this is my mark.'"

That is why many of us believe that we can best support the troops, and our country, by finishing the job in Iraq.

 

[a_unique_person]

It's his standard fallback position.

 

[Manny]

You know, for a guy who spends as much time as you do just freaking whining about people personalizing threads in which you're involved you sure do a lot of personalizing yourself. Your house isn't just glass, it's the most fragile crystal imaginable.

 

[DavidJames]

The anti-war left and its pro-terrorist allies can say..

If you watch closely, and long enough, this is the crap you will eventually get from conservatives. They simply can't seem to fathom an honest and honorable disagreement. Simple minds are unable to accept complex thoughts, complex being defined as more choices then the binary "you are with us or with the terrorists".

Sad, very sad displays but fellow Americans.