The Trump Presidency: Part 20

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dudalb said:
You really have lost any faith in the United States...

I just think that the Virus is a gamechanger big time.
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I'm happy to be wrong. Show me some evidence that Trumps's original base and current approval percentage will not hold.
 
Cabbage said:
But given this opportunity to pin the blame on the Trump administration, I think spin and non-objectivity is not only justified, I'm damn close to considering it mandatory.
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I reject that. With that said, though... There's really no need for spin and non-objectivity to put a heck of a lot of responsibility for problems onto this Administration where it correctly lies.

Tolls said:
Which has had bugger all effect since nothing else was done until it was too late.
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It had effect. But then, I have no problem when it comes to giving credit where it's due. It's just too bad that Trump and co. utterly squandered the gains and then squandered a heck of a lot more because they were running under the self-delusion that COVID-19 was little more than the Democrats making much ado out of nothing, like Trump and the Republicans did with Ebola when they were trying to make Obama lose.

Tolls said:
Which is why the US has over 14000 cases now.
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Confirmed, perhaps - based on incredibly and unnecessarily delayed testing. For reference, though, it's worth bearing in mind that Ohio, for example, started to shutdown when it had 50 confirmed and over 100,000 assumed unconfirmed. That's Ohio, alone.

"Confirmed" means remarkably little when testing is lagging incredibly behind. Especially when COVID-19 is asymptomatic in a lot of cases and would only be discovered with testing.

Steve said:
I would encourage those people to continue to live their lives as if the virus does not exist.
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I don't. Even when it comes to schadenfreude, that's just not particularly good for it. Seriously, for many, possibly most of them, it's not them that is in much personal danger, and hoping that they have vulnerable loved ones and that their blindness harms those people just so that "those people" will feel bad is... in horrible taste, really.

Bogative said:
You mean flunkies like Dr. Fauci, CDC and WHO?

It wasn't 100% effective, it didn't work!!111!1!11!!!

That was the entire point of the travel ban, have you not been paying attention to the medical experts?

Again, the medical experts disagree.
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And you say this as efforts to ramp up production of, for example, PPE just didn't happen for how long, meaning that we are incredibly wildly unprepared on that front? You say this as Trump and the GOP lied, covered up, and dithered about when it came to nearly everything related to COVID-19? Sure, they're starting to act more, now - with pretty much all of their actual positive effort happening after the stock market's crashed and their pocketbooks and the pocketbooks of their wealthy masters (who very disproportionately are the ones who actually benefit from stock markets gains) are suffering. You seem to want the rest of us to just forget all their extensive efforts to belittle, dismiss, and otherwise ignore the problem, with a heaping side helping of attacking Democrats and recommending exactly the opposite of what the experts were recommending.

It may be worth pointing out that South Korea and the US had their first reported cases on the same day. You can see for yourself how incredibly different the problem is currently in a tiny and not all that powerful 1st world country (fairly well contained and a 0.7% death rate, at last check) and the US (we can't really tell because of the incredible lack of testing beyond that it's probably everywhere in the US by now and the health care system seems on the verge of collapse). Heck, the US' response sure seems like it's been losing out in comparison to friggin' 3rd world countries in Africa! :eye-poppi ETA: I admit that this is NOT how I would want the "alt-white" (thanks SG for reminding me about that term) to be shown to be wildly wrong.

Babbylonian said:
Any belief that it helped is incorrect.
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It helped slow the incoming cases. It did nothing more than that, yes, but that is helping. There's credit to be given there, albeit tiny credit. I have no problem with saying that that tiny credit is far more than offset by the amount of praise that he somehow expects for that action alone, though.

thaiboxerken said:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

16.5K cases in the USA, the trend is rising exponentially.
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Testing is becoming more available. Unfortunately, the increases in testing is still almost certainly far behind the increase in spread.

SezMe said:
Why is that TDS?
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The same reason why TDS is usually pulled out. Desperation to create a false equivalence between reasonable and fact-based serious concerns and batcrap insanity fed to gullible people by brazen liars.

Bob001 said:
I suspect Fauci and some others have deliberately decided that they can better serve the nation by keeping their jobs and humoring Dear Leader, rather than quitting and seeing a dumb hack take over. It's like humoring the bank robber who's waving his gun around the lobby: "Yes, life is unfair." "Yes, you deserve all the money!" "Take it, it's all yours! Just don't shoot!"
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That's my take on it, too, honestly. It's a truly horrendous compromise to make, but... it's what good people are forced to do because of how utterly ********* up the GOP is.

Stacyhs said:
Knowing Trump, we can expect attacks on the "failing" WAPO with claims of Fake News/Corrupt News.
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I was under the impression that that probably already happened, though I admit that the sheer number of said inanities on many outlets that reported truth does make them blur together for me.

Also, as I had said previously related to that knew it was a pandemic before it was a pandemic thing, Trump was warned, so of course he friggin' knew! And that's exactly why his actions and lies and, just as tellingly, lack of action where he should have acted have been so unforgivable.
 
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Aridas said:
I reject that. With that said, though... There's really no need for spin and non-objectivity to put a heck of a lot of responsibility for problems onto this Administration where it correctly lies.
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I can respect that. What I really want to see are the Democrats and mainstream media hammering the responsibility on Trump, with or without spin. I haven't seen that so far, not to the extent that I would like to (like to the extent Fox News would in a mirror situation).
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
And incompetrump went on later to call the reporter a liar and CNN a fake news source.



Twitter shmitter, I saw it live.
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It's good that Americans and the world now know that if they are looking for leadership, they are going to have to find it somewhere besides the president.
 
This was the nightmare scenario right from the start of Trump's presidency, of course, a genuine national emergency whilst the least qualified POTUS in history is in charge.

As you sew so shall you reap.
 
Cain said:
It's too bad about this virus because I want Dr. Fauci at my card game. Not only does he do the face-dance, he covers it with his hand. He's one of the leading experts on contagious viruses and he's touching his hand to his face!
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His subconscious is going "get me out of here, kill me now".
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Yes, this ^

Incompetrump minions are a vanishing species. The virus is affecting everyone in the country. It's not something the alt-white can blame on the Chinese and brown people when it hits so close to home. The Chinese and brown people simply don't make adequate scapegoats.
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I’m not following your reasoning. Can you explain why hard-core alt-right and the milder versions of alt-right won’t be satisfied blaming everyone who isn’t white along with the white liberals?

Has any group of bigots ever said “overwhelming evidence and logic indicate that my reasoning was incorrect when I blamed this very troublesome problem (that threatens the existence of my country) solely on the target of my bigotry, therefore I will look at a variety of sources, weigh each one’s credibility, and construct a fair and objective conclusion about actual cause of the problem that I am facing”?
 
ChristianProgressive said:
He's there because no one in the military or law enforcement has the guts to remember their oath to the Consitution and the people, take out their service weapon, and say "Donald J. Trump, you are under arrest and hereby removed from office."
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A long time ago I posted that I had a vision of Chief of Staff John Kelly doing just that.
 
Pixel42 said:
This was the nightmare scenario right from the start of Trump's presidency, of course, a genuine national emergency whilst the least qualified POTUS in history is in charge.

As you sew so shall you reap.
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And yet 55% approve of his handling of the Coronavirus outbreak:confused:
 
Darat said:
This may sound as if I'm joking but that probably didn't help, the intelligence agencies are for Trump the enemy, they tell (or try to do) Trump things he doesn't want to hear and contradict him.
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I'm honestly at the point where I think the various intelligence services should just stop reporting to the president, and just preemptively send all their reports straight to the media. Ultimately the whole point of their job is to find out things that will keep US citizens safe, but if that information never gets out, it's worthless.

Leak like a sieve, spies!
 
The Don said:
And yet 55% approve of his handling of the Coronavirus outbreak:confused:
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That's an individual poll and the best among several for him. This is a gigantic national crisis when scared people reflexively support their leaders - most presidents would be close to 80% in a similar situation. If the USA will turn even worse than Italy, which actually looks quite likely, these numbers will be a distant memory.
 
55%.

That has got to include some Liberal Democrats, yes? Or, could that number be strictly Conservative Republicans?
 
Aridas said:
...It may be worth pointing out that South Korea and the US had their first reported cases on the same day. You can see for yourself how incredibly different the problem is currently in a tiny and not all that powerful 1st world country (fairly well contained and a 0.7% death rate, at last check) and the US (we can't really tell because of the incredible lack of testing beyond that it's probably everywhere in the US by now and the health care system seems on the verge of collapse)...
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I would say it is essential to point this out. Already, the Trump propaganda apparchik have begun to spin reality. While South Korean leaders were proactive in protecting their population, Trump was not. American citizens will pay for this, some with their lives. The chart below indicates that South Korea's outbreak may have peaked on February 29th, while in the U.S. our infection rate will peak tomorrow. Or next week. Or next month.

Sad!
 

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newyorkguy said:
I would say it is essential to point this out. Already, the Trump propaganda apparchik have begun to spin reality. While South Korean leaders were proactive in protecting their population, Trump was not. American citizens will pay for this, some with their lives. The chart below indicates that South Korea's outbreak may have peaked on February 29th, while in the U.S. our infection rate will peak tomorrow. Or next week. Or next month.

Sad!
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What, you're going to believe numbers from Asians? They did this to us!
 
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