Why Trump will be reelected
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They are?! It appears to be a narrative invented by MSNBC and the NYT:
Nina Turner ANNIHILATES MSNBC's Bernie Bro Narrative
theprestige
Penultimate Amazing
"Annihilates." Is this like when Tucker Carlson "destroys" someone, but when you watch the video all you see is a posturing jackass?
Tero
Philosopher
He is not. Polling is of some use. He and the governor conned pepole in Wisconin to shovel money at Foxconn. And the state went Democrat for governor. Trump has lost Michigan as well, possibly Iowa. He does not have the battleground states to win the election with 200 000 people in the right places. Sure he gets the reds states in the middle and with a lot of empty state. Every Republican gets those.
Mumbles
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To be fair, Nixon did a great many good things - he'd be drummed out of the modern GOP.
Reagan, at least, managed to use his acting chops to inspire most people (although he was a segregationist, this didn't seem to matter much to most voters)
And GWB had united the country after 9/11 and launched a fully justified war in Afghanistan as well as a falsely justified war in Iraq. I still think he wasn't *supposed* to have lost this one, as People at the time were still crowing about how great both had gone/were going.
Dolt 45? Let's face it, if there's any sort of major problem, he'll be laughably unequipped to handle it, because he's spent his time driving experts out, often in favor of big gaping holes. Terrorist attack? expect a ton of FBI/CIA leaks about how his idiot sycophants were too busy kissing up to him to take any preventative action. Pandemic? With Noravirus we're already seeing that they've dismantled the bureaucracy responsible for coordinating a response. Financial crisis? Forget it, the entire thing will sink like a ball of lead.
(This is one issue I have yet to hear much about from the nominees - how do they intend to restore government into something fully functioning? And congress should, ideally, be considering what laws to put in place to reform the courts and the executive branch. I'd say that the GOP rank and file should think about what it will take to reform the GOP into something other than a radical protofascist movement, but it's obvious that they're too terrified by the idea of christian white men not running anything.)
Roger Ramjets
Philosopher
Yes!
In an honest election.
Why wait for them to die?
Hmm, perhaps I should rethink my strategy. Trump winning with only 22% of the popular vote would be awesome! Just what we need to kick start the coming civil war.Distracted1 said:
Suddenly
No Punting
Dramatic SYNONYMS for VICTORY and CAPITAL LETTERS will make your view count DECIMATE other youtubers.
Nina Turner really gets to you, doesn't she?!
Nina Turner Rips Moderate Call For Practicality: America Deserves Better | MSNBC
Right on, sister!
ETA: When Nina Turner criticizes the (in this context) hypocritical idea of practicality, I am reminded of one of my favourite Oscar Wilde quotations:
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Even staunch reactionaries no longer endorse Trump; prefer actual billionaire:
Clint Eastwood dropper Trump-støtte og peger på Bloomberg (TV2, Feb. 23, 2020)
Clint Eastwood: electing Bloomberg would make my day (Guardian, Feb. 22, 2020)
Actor Clint Eastwood shows support for Michael Bloomberg and criticizes Trump's behavior (CNN, Feb. 22, 2020)
I look forward to his next speech when he'll be talking to an orange hairpiece representing Trump.
Clint Eastwood dropper Trump-støtte og peger på Bloomberg (TV2, Feb. 23, 2020)
Clint Eastwood: electing Bloomberg would make my day (Guardian, Feb. 22, 2020)
Actor Clint Eastwood shows support for Michael Bloomberg and criticizes Trump's behavior (CNN, Feb. 22, 2020)
I look forward to his next speech when he'll be talking to an orange hairpiece representing Trump.
Delvo
Дэлво Δε&#
- Most Democrats have been dedicated to the cause of finding ways to lose, but Bernie (along with a handful of others) is not most Democrats. They've actually been fighting instead of just rolling over. We've literally never seen in most currently living people's lifetimes what might result from Democrats finally giving the Republicans any resistance at all, except for a little taste in 2018, which went pretty well.
- Core party members are, but there aren't enough of those to dictate the outcome. A bunch of those who voted Republican last time are not so dedicated. The subcategory "those who voted for Obama twice" alone (nevermind how many others can be and have been swayed but just weren't on Obama at least once) is 9 million: a perfect example of why left/right or Republican/Democrat is the wrong division to make to figure out what's really happening.
- That word's just not a big deal at all. Maybe it once was, but not anymore.
- It's a myth. (And the lying crybabies who peddle it are showing their desperation by doing so; they wouldn't need to resort to something so utterly pathetic if they had something real to use instead.)
- See #2.
- A potential real factor, but still a pretty small one in the big picture.
- Impeachment itself wasn't a bad idea. Doing impeachment the wrong way was. Pelosi's insistence on doing everything she could to make it as unimpeachy for him as possible and helping him get away with everything was... Pelosian... again. But it didn't change the election. To do that, it would need to have changed a bunch of people's minds about Trump overall, not just get written into the sermons of people who were already in the cult anyway. There are Democrats whom that whole thing reflects badly on, but Bernie is not one of those, and there's nobody mistaking him for Just Another Democrat.
- See #2. (Also, this not only won't be important next time but also wasn't last time. Those who obssessivley get themselves stuck in myths of the past doom themselves to failure to understand the present & future.)
- See #2. Most people saw through it last time, and we're set up for even more to see through it this time.
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Sideroxylon
Featherless biped
Tells you everything you should know about Bloomberg.
Delvo
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No, they didn't. The polls showed what might happen, some commentators were pointing it out all along, and Clinton and a bunch of her followers simply neglected reality.
That doesn't matter anymore. When you get to dictate clearly illegal, anti-Constitutional, evil things that a President just doesn't have the ability to order, and your dictations get obeyed anyway regardless of the law and nothing happens to anybody over it, you're not presiding over anything; you're dictating, being somebody who dictates. And in a system that has one of those around (maybe we could coin some kind of new term for "somebody who dictates rather than presides"), the legislature makes no difference.
It might persuade some old-school Republicans to shift to a candidate that they find less repulsive than Trump, but I can't imagine that it will make any Democrats shift from another candidate to Bloomberg.
Craig4
Penultimate Amazing
The other good news for pro American voters is that Trump supporters skew older. Some of them either have died or will die before November. Newly older voters don't seem to be replacing the dead pro Trump voters.
Suddenly
No Punting
In an ironic twist, it is Medicare keeping a lot of them alive so they can vote against socialized medicine.
Stacyhs
Penultimate Amazing
People often vote against their own best interests. My husband and I are both 60+ and absolutely despise the Orange Clown in the WH.
Belz...
Fiend God
And that's the problem that some on the left don't get: Trump's presidency so far hasn't really affected the lives of the vast majority of Americans. If you look at what he does, it's atrocious, but as long as it doesn't impact working families' budgets and lives, it doesn't look bad right now.
Belz...
Fiend God
Will they?
Suddenly
No Punting
Except for healthcare. All it takes is to know someone who has trouble getting insulin or who had to enter into mortal combat with their insurance while dealing with a dire medical issue to become somewhat radicalized as to that issue.
There is a reason this is Sanders' primary issue. Climate change is more important, but the healthcare issue reaches into places where the left usually doesn't reach.
It has potential to be the Democratic answer to what the GOP has been doing with abortion. The single issue that could get people to vote Democrat even though they aren't all that thrilled about the rest of the platform. Magnify the heck out of the horror stories and offer obvious solutions. Worry about technical details once in office.