Why Trump will be reelected

Stacyhs said:
I think Obama has been wise to not endorse anyone until the nominee has been determined. Endorsing someone too early could result in that candidate not being the actual nominee and then Obama having to support him/her as an 'also ran'. No....it's better to wait. Unlike Trump, I think Obama thinks ahead.
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It'll be one of history's unanswered questions: If Obama had endorsed one of the candidates earlier, would it have cleared the field and cemented their nomination? Or would it have turned out even worse than what has actually happened?

It also raises some speculation about the nature and scope of Obama's popularity. His endorsement of a candidate during the primaries matters, if lots of Democrats like him and value his opinion on these things. Waiting until after the nominee has been chosen makes his popularity with Democrats largely irrelevant.

On the other hand, endorsing the nominee heading into the general election only matters if lots of independents and moderates on both sides like him and value his opinion on these things. The Democrats have already picked their candidate without his input. Will his input in the general influence how many non-Democrats vote for the nominee?

I agree with you about the risks, though: What if Obama had endorsed someone, and then discovered that his popularity wasn't enough to carry their nomination? I think you're right that Obama thought ahead. I think he thought ahead, and realized that the safest play is to wait for the primaries to conclude, and then add his support to whoever the Democrats had already decided to support anyway.

And I think Obama really has quit the life. I think that even after the primaries are over and the candidate is chosen, Obama will still keep to the sidelines.

With his community organizing experience and his political connections, probably the best thing Obama could do right now is team up with Greta Thunberg and work on something that really matters to all of humanity now and in the future. In the meantime, though, he's probably going to have to endorse Joe Biden.
 
I don't think he 'has' to do anything (re your "spoiler"). It will be interesting, though, to see if he does engage more in politics if Biden wins the election. IMO, he is a valuable resource.
 
Meadmaker said:
Indeed.

The COVID-19 epidemic is going to change everything about this political season. We still don't know how it's going to shake out. We don't know how long we will be "on lockdown" in various parts of the country. We don't know how bad the economic damage will be. We don't know how many people will die. Unfortunately, though, we know that all of those things, will be so bad that most people wouldn't have believed them four weeks ago.

When it's all over, someone you know will be dead, and lots of people will have lost jobs and homes, and the economic crash will be worse than 2008/2009, and there's a good chance that you might have to find a substitute for toilet paper. The electorate will blame somebody for this. It seems to me that the guy in charge might end up being blamed, but I've given up trying to predict.
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A very reasonable post.

The OP is more of this failure to accept his ideas are rejected by the electorate.

There are a lot of ways this thing could go if the dems had anyone who was not corrupt to offer up in opposition to Trump. Tulsi Gabbard, that was the problem with her - she opposed the MIC Deep State trillionaire criminal gangsters.

But Trump could blow it, or might even already have blown it. We are a long ways from out of this thing.
 
ChristianProgressive said:
Tulsi Gabbard was a GOP trojan horse.
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So many questions.

Do you think they've been running her since the beginning, or did they get to her later?

Did they target her on purpose, because she's Hindu and Samoan? Or was she just the nearest available politician?

How do you think they got to her? Was it straight bribery, or did they have to resort to blackmail or extortion?

If they didn't realize they needed her until last year, then how they got to her becomes a really important question. What do they have on her, to flip her from sincere progressive to GOP tool?

What did they predict would happen if she didn't run? Is there any way to test this prediction?
 
Trebuchet said:
Why trump will be reelected

1. The Democratic Party. Around 90 years ago Will Rodgers said “I'm not a member of any organized political party. I'm a Democrat.” Still true.
2. The Republican Party. Absolutely monolithic in its devotion to Trump.
3. Socialism. The current front-runner is a self described socialist. But it's not just Bernie, the R's will use that scare word for any candidate. And a vast number of Americans don't understand what it is. As in the first post of this thread.
4. Toxic Bernie-Bro culture. There are not that many of the toxic ones, but they are very vocal.
5. Fox News. They have no shame and will lie about anything to help the Republican party.
6. Cheating. In addition to the ongoing Republican efforts to disenfranchise likely Democratic voters, the Russians are already busy, and Trump is already working hard to cover it up.
7. Impeachment. I think it was a dumb idea. Trump will run on how exonerated he is.
8. Prejudice. Against immigrants, brown people, women, and LGBT people. A lot more folks harbor subtle prejudices than you probably think.
9. Gullibility. Trump fans willingly believe anything he says; anything they here on Fox News or Breitbart. But it's not the fans that are the problem; it's the folks in the middle who are susceptible to the lies when they get repeated often enough.
The USA is totally screwed.
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Psssst! Trebuchet don't worry. Rumor has it that the Dems are manufacturing a fake virus to derail the whole Trump train!



It was fun to see this thread again.
 
Trebuchet said:
Why trump will be reelected

1. The Democratic Party. Around 90 years ago Will Rodgers said “I'm not a member of any organized political party. I'm a Democrat.” Still true.
2. The Republican Party. Absolutely monolithic in its devotion to Trump.
3. Socialism. The current front-runner is a self described socialist. But it's not just Bernie, the R's will use that scare word for any candidate. And a vast number of Americans don't understand what it is. As in the first post of this thread.
4. Toxic Bernie-Bro culture. There are not that many of the toxic ones, but they are very vocal.
5. Fox News. They have no shame and will lie about anything to help the Republican party.
6. Cheating. In addition to the ongoing Republican efforts to disenfranchise likely Democratic voters, the Russians are already busy, and Trump is already working hard to cover it up.
7. Impeachment. I think it was a dumb idea. Trump will run on how exonerated he is.
8. Prejudice. Against immigrants, brown people, women, and LGBT people. A lot more folks harbor subtle prejudices than you probably think.
9. Gullibility. Trump fans willingly believe anything he says; anything they here on Fox News or Breitbart. But it's not the fans that are the problem; it's the folks in the middle who are susceptible to the lies when they get repeated often enough.
The USA is totally screwed.
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FWIW, I'd say most of these factors explain how Trump got to 70+ million.
 
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