Why Trump will be reelected

[Cabbage]

People skeptical of Sanders' ability to win the general election generally have a reason why polling data may not mean much... because Sanders hasn't been subject to the type of Republican attacks that candidates like Hillary Clinton (or even Joe Biden) had to endure.

Oh, but that's different from what dudalb is perpetually saying. According to him, the only "evidence" that Sanders supporters have for Sanders winning is some "Lost Tribe" of mythical voters. That's simply not true, and the polls demonstrate it's not true.

I'm fine with bringing an argument that Sanders is a bad candidate, I only ask that you base it on reality, not a myth.

 

[Sideroxylon]

Goes both way, I have seem a number of both his supporters and others on this board stating that they won't vote for other candidates because of how the perceive the supporters of that candidate to act.

Sweet tu quoque, bro. And off the mark again in the same fashion.

Decide on policies. Don’t act in a realisation of the dystopian comedy Idiocracy.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Sweet tu quoque, bro. And off the mark again in the same fashion.

Decide on policies. Don’t act in a realisation of the dystopian comedy Idiocracy.

You're really aiming at the wrong person here, if you noticed a few posts back, my issues with Bernie are with Bernie's actions. Having said that I can't vote anyways, but my wife can and will.

 

[ChristianProgressive]

10. Strategy
In the medium to longer term, the Democratic Party is much better off losing to Trump in 2020 and using this to regain all of Congress in 2022, at which point they Impeach Trump.

By that point, the damage to our democracy will be utterly irreversible and fatal.

 

[Sideroxylon]

You're really aiming at the wrong person here, if you noticed a few posts back, my issues with Bernie are with Bernie's actions. Having said that I can't vote anyways, but my wife can and will.

Its not personal. You engaged me. You seemed to miss my point, which I tried to emphasise in an edit before you replied.

I cant vote either. I am Australian. As a nation we have looked to your lead, good and bad. Trump has been a disaster and has **** all over the great Enlightenment founding ideals of America of truth, rationality, and individual rights, fairness and participatory democracy. Your further slide into corporatocracy/oligarchy/kleptocracy will be ours.

 

[ChristianProgressive]

if the Dems offered a halfway decent candidate maybe;not the way things stand.

The recent Quinnepac poll shows the entire Democratic field beating Trump in an honest election.

 

[Stacyhs]

The recent Quinnepac poll shows the entire Democratic field beating Trump in an honest election.

The polls showed Clinton winning, too.

 

[Crossbow]

The big thing that the Trump campaign has that the Democrats currently do not have is a large and dedicated core of avid supporters.

However, I have noticed that Trump support seldom translates to down ballot support.

Therefore, even if Trump does actually become the President again, then I expect that his problems with Congress will be even worse than they already are.

 

[ChristianProgressive]

I think the op hits on a lot of good points, but it missed one.

11. Donald Trump has been president for three years, and nothing really bad has happened.]/quote]

Tell that to the poor, minorities, immigrants, women, the professional civil service, anyone who cares about clean air/land/water or honest finances, workers, etc.

In my opinion, he's setting us up for bad things in the future with huge borrowing and environmental damage, but in the right here right now, things are ok.

To phrase it differently, "it's the economy, stupid."

Just so long as you get your 30 pieces of silver, eh Mead?

 

[Sideroxylon]

The polls showed Clinton winning, too.

“And into that epistemic wasteland I insert my own reality.”

 

[ChristianProgressive]

I think the op hits on a lot of good points, but it missed one.

11. Donald Trump has been president for three years, and nothing really bad has happened.

Tell that to the poor, minorities, immigrants, women, the professional civil service, anyone who cares about clean air/land/water or honest finances, workers, etc.

In my opinion, he's setting us up for bad things in the future with huge borrowing and environmental damage, but in the right here right now, things are ok.

To phrase it differently, "it's the economy, stupid."

Just so long as you get your 30 pieces of silver, eh Mead?

 

[applecorped]

I rest my case.

Your case was DOA

 

[ChristianProgressive]

Dudalb's been suggesting the possibility of civil war for quite some time. I hope it doesn't come to that.

IF it does happen, we'd better make sure it isn't the half-assed effort decent people made in the last one. We need a full on French Revolution-type housecleaning.

 

[applecorped]

Tell that to the poor, minorities, immigrants, women, the professional civil service, anyone who cares about clean air/land/water or honest finances, workers, etc.




Just so long as you get your 30 pieces of silver, eh Mead?

It was only 20 pieces after tax

 

[applecorped]

IF it does happen, we'd better make sure it isn't the half-assed effort decent people made in the last one. We need a full on French Revolution-type housecleaning.

And there it is....wishing death on your opponent's when all else fails


How tolerant


How Progressive



How Christian

 

[Brainster]

I see someone just proved our points about Bernie Bros.

That's a little unfair. I see mild pushback against your position that Bernie can't win, but I don't see anything like the twitterstorms that the Bernie Bros are responsible for elsewhere.

 

[ChristianProgressive]

The polls showed Clinton winning, too.

She did win. DESPITE massive GOP election rigging, she got more votes.

 

[ChristianProgressive]

And there it is....wishing death on your opponent's when all else fails

If it is to be a war, it will not be my side that starts it.

How tolerant

Tolerating the intolerable is how we got here.

How Progressive

Progressives freed the slaves via war.

How Christian

Jesus is known for flipping tables from time to time when pushed to it.

Read also Revelations and what Jesus and the Army of Heaven will do to the wicked world in those days.

 

[dudalb]

Very true, and the thing is that it shouldn't be that hard to actually do it either.

Here we go let's try.

All US Citizens and Legal Residents will have their healthcare covered such that they can visit with any General Practitioner inside the US with a minimal cover fee ($20-40). Specialist Appointments, along with with emergency treatment, as well as all non-elective inpatient or outpatient hospital services within the US will be without any cost to the patient (assuming US Citizen or Legal Resident) at the point of service.

Certain elective services, such as elective plastic surgery, will not be covered, but can be covered via a private insurance. Non-elective versions of these, such as plastic surgery for burns victims, would be covered.

Prescriptions will have a subsidised listing which will result in a charge of $5 per prescription for those medications on the list, to a maximum cost to the patient of $100 per year 1st Jan-31st Dec.

Birth control medications well also be subsidised so as to be freely available.

Costs for the system will obtained be via:

• Savings in Hospital Administration
• Saving in the Administration costs of Medicare, Medicaid, and Veteran Healthcare as these will all be incorporated into the new system
• A Healthcare Levy on Businesses based on Number of Employees and the Industry Type of the Business, aimed to be lower that current Insurance Premiums
• A Healthcare Levy on income earners. Again aimed to be lower that current Healthcare Premiums
• Levies will be administrated via the IRS to reduce Government Administration

Hospitals will be funded based on populations served and historical use. GPs will be funded based on patients seen and enrolled. Specialists including Dentists, Ophthalmologists, and Physiotherapists will be funded per appointment.

There we go, basic bare bones, but an idea of what it could look like.



Literally don't need to buy them out or nationalize them, just make them useless. Of course it will result in somewhat of a financial lose for those invested in them unless they manage to come up with a new business model that keeps them afloat, but at the end of the day, any business can fail because its marketplace changes, so... market forces, right?

Problem is in the US a great many of the hospitals are owned by the Health Providers ie the Insurance Companies,so they would still have to bought out.

 

[dudalb]

No fan of Bernie, but I give him a lot of credit for renouncing any support from Russia and telling Putin where to get off.