Did Epstein run a World Satanic Ring?

bruto said:
Scientists saw him as dumb and shallow, or so they say now, and apparently went along with him because he had money and influence and they, in areas other than science, would appear to have been dumb and shallow in their own ways. Look how scientists and institutions are backpedalling now from their greedy feeding at the Sackler trough.

As for financial acumen, who knows? Maybe he was just lucky, or his skills were limited. Like the proverbial hedgehog, he did not have to know everything if he knew one thing well. And in the financial world you don't actually even have to know one thing well if you are lucky. Look at the financial crisis a few years ago. It was fueled largely by people whose overall ignorance was hidden by luck, unaware or unconcerned that they were essentially playing russian roulette.

The world is full of people who have skills and abilities in one area and are fools in others. I think you underestimate the degree to which a person with a certain form of cleverness can snow others, and the degree to which people, when they see a crowd, will simply join it. Now after the fact, after it's unfashionable to be associated with him, everyone says what a shallow fool Epstein was, but when it was fashionable, they were in the line.
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I don't buy it. That's like claiming you can be a successful oncology surgeon with zero training. Why, you just need the chutzpah. No. I doesn't work like that. I suspect the US is similar to the UK. You are not even allowed to sign off a plc's accounts unless you are chartered. To become chartered you have to pass a whole bunch of mind-bending exams. A typical course will set you back £20K (or rather, your employers) and you don't get the designation without proving a minimum of three year's senior management work experience. My Oxford educated B-i-L paid £46K for his MBA. No there is no way you will make a killing of £550m as an investment banker without serious qualifications. Epstein had none at all. A friend of mine who works at a top investment bank as a broker had a first class from Imperial college (England's top uni) plus the requisite MBA and Banking exams. There is no way you can just blag your way through it. Wexner handed over Power of Attorney to Epstein together with control of all his wealth. Why? It is not because he liked him Honestly.
 
The Common Potato said:
If I were an incredibly wealthy, evil bloke, and trying to impress teenage girls, there are two chat up options. Would you a) Like a quicky in the local Travel Lodge? b) Come on holiday to my private island in the Caribbean?

Shameless name drop alert: I did sit opposite and chatted with Michael Spencer - said to be worth about £1.15B - a few years ago at a mutual friend's birthday lunch, so that might be my 'in' to middle aged debauchery. And the local Premier Inn is two minutes' walk from my home.
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A clue might be his rich parents putting up the capital:

Spencer was born in British Malaya. His father was an economist and international civil servant, his mother a linguist. During Spencer's early childhood, his family moved from his birth country to Sudan and then Ethiopia. Aged eight, he was sent to England to board, latterly at Worth Abbey Benedictine (OSB) School, Sussex. He read physics at Corpus Christi College, Oxford, after which he considered becoming an astrophysicist.[5]

Spencer is an Honorary Fellow of Corpus Christi and an Honorary Doctor of Loughborough University.[6][7]
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In addition, being 'worth £X bn' is not the same as having £X bn.

Epstein didn't have a pot to p!ss in.

OK, so you want to do an Epstein. In your view you think it is just a question of 'chatting up some birds'. Perhaps you should write a letter to the POTUS.

"Dear Mr President Trump,

I was interested to note that you once ran an escort agency and might even have made an acquaintance with a Slovenian porn star. Therefore, I wa wondering if you might like to give some consideration to some potential escorts models I have to promote my boss' lingerie brand, Victoria's Secrets.

Next month I am running a promotional conference and audition fashion show of said lingerie. Please let m know if I can add you to the list of attendees.

Yours sincerely

The Common Potato

PS Bill Clinton will be there and perhaps even Dr Stephen Hawking.


Simples.
 
I think it's of some relevance to point out that as far as I can see Epstein was not an accountant, and the various positions he held did not require the kind of certification that accountants need, and at Bear Stearns, his lack of certification got him fired. You can read his bio as you like, but it looks to me like that of a very skillful crap artist, con man and blackmailer, and while some might think that for such a person to be successful for so long might require the help of dark organizations or powers, my dim view of human nature disagrees, and guesses that ordinary human cupidity and stupidity were sufficient.
 
bruto said:
I think it's of some relevance to point out that as far as I can see Epstein was not an accountant, and the various positions he held did not require the kind of certification that accountants need, and at Bear Stearns, his lack of certification got him fired. You can read his bio as you like, but it looks to me like that of a very skillful crap artist, con man and blackmailer, and while some might think that for such a person to be successful for so long might require the help of dark organizations or powers, my dim view of human nature disagrees, and guesses that ordinary human cupidity and stupidity were sufficient.
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AFAICS the only person Epstein swindled was Wexner and even that seems questionable given Wexner handed over control of all his wealth to him. So he was not a Madoff figure. I cannot see how anyone was conned by him.

Oh well, I guess the mystery has died with him.
 
Vixen said:
No, that is not my position at all.



Denying that occult practices exist is ignorant IMV.
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Denying that occult practices exist is yet another straw man argument from you.

How about some evidence of these occult practices in this case? So far all we have from you is satanic panic.

This thread is about whether Epstein ran a secret satanic cult, whether in earnest or as an affectation. It's not about whether satanism exists nor about the crimes Epstein was actually charged with.

So, how about some evidence to support your proposition?
 
Vixen said:
... There is such a thing as good and evil otherwise our brains would not have evolved to be wired to such concepts...
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No. There is an evolutionary benefit to thinking there is right and wrong, fair and unfair, praiseworthy and shameful, since these drive behaviours which benefit the group. These are not evidence of some external phenomenon embodying "good" or "evil", that's just a fairytale byproduct of our continuously upgraded monkey brains.
 
Vixen said:
It seems perfectly clear to me that for Judaism to exist today it must have had a starting point, and Moses is as good as any.
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So because you don't know, you just make it up? That's argument from ignorance.

Even if you disbelieve the Bible, fact is, millions of Jews accept the precept of the Ten Commandments and the laws as set out in Leviticus and Deuteronomy. It might be fiction but a life-style of not indulging in idol worship, fornicating, stealing, murdering is one enjoyed by many. The first two commandments are 'thou shalt have no other God before me' and 'thou shalt not have a graven image', these go back to antiquity and might be fiction as far as you are concerned.
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And that's argument from popularity.

Two fallacies. I thought you didn't 'do' those?

Joining occult organisations means they are suddenly free from the restrictions or marriage, being faithful and not having casual or perverted sex.
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You just made that up. Plenty of Christians have sex outside of marriage and have children issue from that. What, are you living in the 1800s?

It is there in plain sight. Epstein and his astonishing deep state network indulging in underage teenage sex, porn and orgies is really really not about some oversexed dude.
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Which is completely irrelevant to the question of satanism.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Denying that occult practices exist is yet another straw man argument from you.

How about some evidence of these occult practices in this case? So far all we have from you is satanic panic.

This thread is about whether Epstein ran a secret satanic cult, whether in earnest or as an affectation. It's not about whether satanism exists nor about the crimes Epstein was actually charged with.

So, how about some evidence to support your proposition?
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Er, temple, sundial with altar stone, statue of Poseiden (?) figure, gargoyles, underground chambers.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
No. There is an evolutionary benefit to thinking there is right and wrong, fair and unfair, praiseworthy and shameful, since these drive behaviours which benefit the group. These are not evidence of some external phenomenon embodying "good" or "evil", that's just a fairytale byproduct of our continuously upgraded evolved monkey human brains.
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FIFY
 
For the sceptics cynics, have a look at this video which explains how Ba'al is happening in plain sight. Caveat: the guy is a pastor.



Skip straight to: 30:59 (Gotthard tunnel), 35:23 (Arkansas Capitol, 40:17 (Deep state) and 47:30 (Deeper state).

Then tell me this is not happening.
 
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