Did Epstein run a World Satanic Ring?

[Vixen]

I didn't appeal to anything. Do you even know what a logical fallacy is?

I'm making a statement regarding what is going on, not drawing a logical conclusion from premises.

No wonder you don't think you "do" logical fallacies.

You tried to make out you had the backing of the crowd by use of the word 'we'. Saddam had the backing of a few million. See the logic fault in this?

 

[Porpoise of Life]

You tried to make out you had the backing of the crowd by use of the word 'we'. Saddam had the backing of a few million. See the logic fault in this?

Yes. We see the logic faults in all of your posts. But you don't seem to.

 

[Belz...]

You tried to make out you had the backing of the crowd by use of the word 'we'.

I did no such thing. I used "we" because no one in this thread agrees with your claim. It's a fact. Your interpretation is simply incorrect.

But then, adding theories on top of observations is common with you.

 

[bruto]

This is where we disagree.

Indulging in practices that harm others (i.e., young teenage women) is not just 'bad taste and eclectic fantasy'.

I referred above to the issue of whether his apparent ceremonial practices were Satanic. I think we are likely in agreement that his actions were terrible, harmful, and worthy of unequivocal condemnation. I just don't believe that they were the result of some religious or quasi-religious ideology. I think they were the result of his being an evil character with flamboyant adolescent erotic fantasies, and enough money to get away with it.

 

[turingtest]

This is where we disagree.

Indulging in practices that harm others (i.e., young teenage women) is not just 'bad taste and eclectic fantasy'.

Wow. You even highlighted the part where bruto specifically says that it's the "toy[ing] with the terminology and allure of a mishmash of occult ideas" that he's referring to as "bad taste and eclectic fantasy"- and you still manage to twist that to mean what you want it to so you can have something to disagree with. Is this deliberate, are you really that bad at basic reading comprehension?

 

[Vixen]

I referred above to the issue of whether his apparent ceremonial practices were Satanic. I think we are likely in agreement that his actions were terrible, harmful, and worthy of unequivocal condemnation. I just don't believe that they were the result of some religious or quasi-religious ideology. I think they were the result of his being an evil character with flamboyant adolescent erotic fantasies, and enough money to get away with it.

You are in denial if you cannot admit that despite many many years of procuring underage teenage girls, and likely running a blackmail racket, nobody has ever been brought to justice, apart from Epstein, once in 2010 when he 'got off' with a 13-month sentence which gave him day release on his island and he never checked in once, with impunity, and then in July 2019 when NY took it out of Florida's hands, and in weeks we're told he topped himself, that there is some funny deep state stuff going on here.

No, two-bit maths teacher from blue-collar Brooklyn Jeffrey Epstein was not 'just a dirty old man with a lot of money'.

 

[abaddon]

Oh my gods, the irony.

Precious, isn't it.

 

[Vixen]

Wow. You even highlighted the part where bruto specifically says that it's the "toy[ing] with the terminology and allure of a mishmash of occult ideas" that he's referring to as "bad taste and eclectic fantasy"- and you still manage to twist that to mean what you want it to so you can have something to disagree with. Is this deliberate, are you really that bad at basic reading comprehension?

Having regular orgies with teenage girls passed around world leaders and statesmen is not 'toying with a mishmash of occult ideas' nor is it 'bad taste'. The fact it involves deep state should tell you this is not one individual perv from down the road.

 

[Vixen]

Precious, isn't it.

Oh yeah, you're the 'let it all hang out' guru. Nothing wrong with any of it. Nothing exists and history never happened so who cares?

 

[carlitos]

Is this deliberate, are you really that bad at basic reading comprehension?

It's the former. Samuel Clemens had an observation about what many are doing in this thread.

 

[abaddon]

Sure, and people move about even in ancient times and surprise, their ideas move with them. 40.000 years ago, people were crossing oceans with apparent aplomb.

No evidence for Moses or the exodus.


So what?

You keep on talking about moses as though he was real.

I see. You are one of these people who thinks if you say a thing it becomes so.

Nope. I am one of those people who will accept any claim for which sufficient testable evidence has been demonstrated. "Moses" fails that test. The Exodus fails that test. Disagree? Present your evidence.

Oh and the stupid bible is evidence of nothing, so don't bother with that. We already know it is filled with mistakes from start to finish.

There are more things in heaven and Earth, Horatio, abaddon, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

Demonstrate that a "heaven" even exists. You cannot.

And how exactly would you know what I dream or what my philosophy is?

And before you go off on yet another tangent, I am aware that you provided a quote. I am also aware it comes from a work of fiction just like the bible. I am also aware you intended it as a distraction.

History is just a series of cartoon strips in your blissful world called the realms of Ignorance.

ORLY? Who wrote the pentateuch? Do you know?

From National Geographic:

You do understand that NatGeo is not a reliable source, right?

The identity of Pharaoh in the Moses story has been much debated, but many scholars are inclined to accept that Exodus has King Ramses II in mind. The Bible confirms that the Israelites were to build “supply cities, Pithom and Ramses, for Pharaoh.” Egyptian records confirm that the kings of the 19th dynasty (ca 1293–1185 B.C.E.) launched a major mili*tary program in the Levant. As part of this effort, King Seti I (ca 1290–1279 B.C.E.) built a new garri*son city, which his successor, Ramses II (ca 1279– 1213 B.C.E.), later called Pi-Ramesses. Ramses II also built a second city dedicated to his personal patron, Atum, called Per Atum. These two cities are quite possibly the biblical Ramses and Pithom.

Do you know why it might be that some scholars are merely "inclined to accept" which pharoah it was? Of course not.

The bible confirms nothing. It is a work of fiction.

All you are doing is attempting to ram a religious square peg into a factual round hole.

Let's cut to the chase here. Do you accept that the bible is not a reliable guide in any way to any thing? Not history, not science, not even morality. Once you accept that we can move along. OTOH, if you disagree, I can and will demonstrate you to be incorrect.

 

[abaddon]

Having regular orgies with teenage girls passed around world leaders and statesmen is not 'toying with a mishmash of occult ideas' nor is it 'bad taste'. The fact it involves deep state should tell you this is not one individual perv from down the road.

Sure. It is a group of pervs with power, abusing said power. Criminal, despicable and illegal it certainly is. Satanic ring it certainly is not. You are stuck on the notion that nobody could commit horrible acts with out satan. You are stuck in religion.

 

[Vixen]

Nope. I am one of those people who will accept any claim for which sufficient testable evidence has been demonstrated. "Moses" fails that test. The Exodus fails that test. Disagree? Present your evidence.

Oh and the stupid bible is evidence of nothing, so don't bother with that. We already know it is filled with mistakes from start to finish.

Demonstrate that a "heaven" even exists. You cannot.

And how exactly would you know what I dream or what my philosophy is?

And before you go off on yet another tangent, I am aware that you provided a quote. I am also aware it comes from a work of fiction just like the bible. I am also aware you intended it as a distraction.


ORLY? Who wrote the pentateuch? Do you know?

You do understand that NatGeo is not a reliable source, right?

Do you know why it might be that some scholars are merely "inclined to accept" which pharoah it was? Of course not.

The bible confirms nothing. It is a work of fiction.

All you are doing is attempting to ram a religious square peg into a factual round hole.

Let's cut to the chase here. Do you accept that the bible is not a reliable guide in any way to any thing? Not history, not science, not even morality. Once you accept that we can move along. OTOH, if you disagree, I can and will demonstrate you to be incorrect.

It seems perfectly clear to me that for Judaism to exist today it must have had a starting point, and Moses is as good as any. Even if you disbelieve the Bible, fact is, millions of Jews accept the precept of the Ten Commandments and the laws as set out in Leviticus and Deuteronomy. It might be fiction but a life-style of not indulging in idol worship, fornicating, stealing, murdering is one enjoyed by many. The first two commandments are 'thou shalt have no other God before me' and 'thou shalt not have a graven image', these go back to antiquity and might be fiction as far as you are concerned.

However, there are millions of decent people in the world who do refrain from worship of idols and deities such as the generic 'Ba'al'.

Therefore - whether fictitious or factual - there are those who will do the opposite. Joining occult organisations means they are suddenly free from the restrictions or marriage, being faithful and not having casual or perverted sex. So don't try to make out occult practitioners don't exist.

It is there in plain sight. Epstein and his astonishing deep state network indulging in underage teenage sex, porn and orgies is really really not about some oversexed dude.

 

[bruto]

You are in denial if you cannot admit that despite many many years of procuring underage teenage girls, and likely running a blackmail racket, nobody has ever been brought to justice, apart from Epstein, once in 2010 when he 'got off' with a 13-month sentence which gave him day release on his island and he never checked in once, with impunity, and then in July 2019 when NY took it out of Florida's hands, and in weeks we're told he topped himself, that there is some funny deep state stuff going on here.

No, two-bit maths teacher from blue-collar Brooklyn Jeffrey Epstein was not 'just a dirty old man with a lot of money'.

Who are you quoting there? Not me, obviously.

 

[Vixen]

Sure. It is a group of pervs with power, abusing said power. Criminal, despicable and illegal it certainly is. Satanic ring it certainly is not. You are stuck on the notion that nobody could commit horrible acts with out satan. You are stuck in religion.

If it is as you say 'It is a group of pervs', when will the other pervs be investigated?

 

[abaddon]

Oh yeah, you're the 'let it all hang out' guru. Nothing wrong with any of it. Nothing exists and history never happened so who cares?

Wheeeeeee. Just how long did it take you to gather that much straw. Did you use a scythe or a huge combine harvester of some description?

FTR, I am fairly militant when it comes to anything involving abuse of minors. Indeed, I have been involved with exposing some of those.

Everything is wrong with such activities.

The universe exists as does our particular place in it. Whatever has happened, stays happened.

I care. I care about truth as well. It appears that you do not.

Basically, everything you just said is wrong. Again.

At some point, you are going to have to come up against the simple fact that you are not always right, you do not know the motivations of others, and you cannot continue to make crap up and expect to be taken seriously.

I get that you think that there is a magic demon orchestrating all of these activities. To me you might as well be claiming that there are magic fairies at the bottom of your garden that make flowers grow. It is really that level of superstitious nonsense.

The simple fact is that humans, all of their lonesome, really are capable of horrible, unspeakable acts. No imaginary satan needed at all.

Should such people be judged for such acts? Absolutely. And, if found guilty, punished to the full extent of the law.

But loading all of that with a veritable crowd of supernatural ghosts, angels and demons is utter nonsense. Because those are not real.

 

[Vixen]

Who are you quoting there? Not me, obviously.

You said, to paraphrase, that Epstein was just a pervy old dude with lots of money.

 

[abaddon]

If it is as you say 'It is a group of pervs', when will the other pervs be investigated?

What? How the **** do I know? I am busy enough investigating my own local pervs, TYVM. I have no further time to investigate the pervs in another country 3,000 mile away.

Get off your butt and actively do something if you want to make a difference. Do not rock up here and denigrate the real efforts of myself and many others to overturn that rock and expose those worms.

You really know nothing, do you. That was a statement, not a question.

 

[turingtest]

Having regular orgies with teenage girls passed around world leaders and statesmen is not 'toying with a mishmash of occult ideas' nor is it 'bad taste'. The fact it involves deep state should tell you this is not one individual perv from down the road.

Who here has said that it is? Quote, please, no paraphrasing- you've demonstrated that you only do that so you can have something to rail against.

 

[Vixen]

Wheeeeeee. Just how long did it take you to gather that much straw. Did you use a scythe or a huge combine harvester of some description?

FTR, I am fairly militant when it comes to anything involving abuse of minors. Indeed, I have been involved with exposing some of those.

Everything is wrong with such activities.

The universe exists as does our particular place in it. Whatever has happened, stays happened.

I care. I care about truth as well. It appears that you do not.

Basically, everything you just said is wrong. Again.

At some point, you are going to have to come up against the simple fact that you are not always right, you do not know the motivations of others, and you cannot continue to make crap up and expect to be taken seriously.

I get that you think that there is a magic demon orchestrating all of these activities. To me you might as well be claiming that there are magic fairies at the bottom of your garden that make flowers grow. It is really that level of superstitious nonsense.

The simple fact is that humans, all of their lonesome, really are capable of horrible, unspeakable acts. No imaginary satan needed at all.

Should such people be judged for such acts? Absolutely. And, if found guilty, punished to the full extent of the law.

But loading all of that with a veritable crowd of supernatural ghosts, angels and demons is utter nonsense. Because those are not real.

Don't put words in my mouth. If I believe someone is say, Wiccan, it doesn't mean I believe what they believe. Just that such people do exist and have those beliefs.

You take Mossad for example. Now spies no longer work for a country, they work for a power circle. A non-western intelligence agency (let's say, Russian to keep it objective) won't care about our values in the UK or USA. Why should it? Let's imagine it is not Christian. So to interfere in a foreign power it can use the tactic of compromising values by offering freedom from that country's normal social mores, like being faithful to your wife, sex by consent only, no public orgies, etcetera and the only way to do that is to offer an exclusive 'fraternity' type organisation that offers discretion on remote islands and protection from being prosecuted or outed Before you know it, this deep state, within perhaps another deeper state, has brought down the moral values of our civilisation as we know it and that was the intent.

It seems Epstein and Maxwell were connected to Mossad.