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I was waiting for this brilliant enlightenment

Guess what

Swastikas aren't still used in modern western cultures these days except in direct use to Nazism

The ok hand sign is still used in every day life and in variations of international sign languages.

But by all means if you want to steal some every day thing over some crap joke some idiots did on some website, go for it. Just don't ecpect everyone to take you seriously.

Yes but that means one can use context to determine intent. What I am not seeing is any need to differentiate the "trolling" from expressing their racist ideology. How do we know the crowds making monkey chants are really racist and not just trolling? How can we view the 6 million more chanting at a holocaust remembrance as anything other than trolling? They just did it to trigger the libs after all.

Racist trolling is still racist.
 
It isn't hard to comprehend

It is one of those stupid things currently happening like people wearing a type of cap

Which is fine as long as people treat this meaning for what it is.

Something someone decided it means 2 years ago when the sign has been around with various innocuous meanings for over 2000 years

Yeah, and a single raised middle finger, projecting from a hand with an upwards-facing palm probably has dozens upon dozens of meanings over those 2000 years. Yet, somehow, even with the White Supremacist interference-runners, we don't have any actual doubt as to what that means, do we?
 
You're only partially right(but at least not totally wrong for a change). You see, to people in Africa, Obama symbolizes hope. To many people in America, he symbolizes a great moment in history, where our country finally came of age. To people in Europe he's a symbol of a bygone era when the trailer trash wasn't setting US foreign policy. To Low-IQ-Cauc Breeders, he symbolizes the end of civilization. At your barbecue, I'm sure he'd symbolize yet something else. ("There go the property values", amirite?)

Unfortunately, they have taken a number of step backwards since then. Now, once again, the trash is making the trailer park rules.
 
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He is not straw-manning. He is extrapolating your argument because you refuse to address the elephant in the room.

Except I did address it and instead of addressing what I said, he strawmanned my argument.

I asked before....

Do Any of Those Defending OK/WP Signals as "All a Joke" actually assume that everyone caught using the symbol is in on the big laugh? All of them? Or would you concede the power of the interwebs and that it's more than possible, but probable, that these ignorant miscreants really think they're making hand signals to show their fellow bigots that they've got company?

I've already agreed that some idiots don't understand the origin of what they are doing, and yes they think they are doing some sooper special WP signal. The joke is on them too.

When we see members of the KKK, or the American Nazi Party, or Aryan Nations, or any of the other White Supremacy organisations flashing it to each other as an official symbol such as the swastika or Hitler salute, then sure start getting upset about it, but while it is just a handful of wannabe white supremacists* with zero connection to the official groups, and the vast majority of people doing it are doing so because it upsets Liberals, then it's not something to get your panties in a bunch over.

Again, who thinks it's funny to pose making racist symbols, even jokingly? I'm a cynical nasty-mouthed individual and was described by a friend once as a "shock jock without a radio station" because I will sometimes say whatever pops into my head. And I would NEVER want to appear to be something I'm not. "Hey, I'm gonna look like a racist in the school year book because it'll piss off the liberals!" Nope. Not if I'm not actually a racist. How much more likely that it was, "Hey, we can pretend to be posing for a casual picture but be defiant rebels and show the libtards and darkies what we really think of them!"

Here's the thing though, the symbol IS NOT RACIST!

The only people that think it is are a few idiot white supremacist wannabes who do it because they are dumb and don't get that it's a hoax and think that flashing it somehow makes them connected to something they aren't really a part of, and a whole lot of Liberals who have fallen for the Hoax hook, line, and sinker. Get it, it's only racist in your mind.

The vast majority of those doing it, aren't doing it because "it's a racist symbol and doing a racist symbol will upset Liberals", they are either doing it because they know it's a hoax and want to upset liberals, or they have heard that if you do it, it will upset liberals, and they want to upset the liberals because the silly liberals have fallen for the hoax and think it's racist.

It is no more racist that the Jesus Fish would be if I started an Internet rumour that anyone with a Jesus Fish on their car is a Racist and it's a message to each other, and got a bunch of other to help me make twitter accounts and Facebook pages and use them to bombard the media with that rumour until they started reporting it and liberals started to fall for it.

Just because a whole bunch of Liberals and a few idiot White Supremacist wannabes have fallen for the hoax, doesn't actually make it suddenly become true.


*Note this really well. When I say White Supremacist wannabe, I'm not saying that they don't believe in white supremacy, that they don't hate Jews. Blacks, Muslims, and others. I'm talking about someone that is outside of the main organisations and has zero power in influencing the main movement. People that want to be a part if it, but they aren't a member, rather they're a hanger on, going to webpages and stewing about it in their "mum's basement", all the time making themselves more and more extreme in their own little echo chamber. Now that doesn't make them not dangerous to others, in fact if anything the wannabes are far more dangerous than members of official groups. Official groups keep their members on a tight leash, they moderate each other's behaviour because lone wolves who go on shooting rampages is a bad look for the entire group these days. Wannabes aren't held back by that influence of their peers. Instead they stew and write up their manifestos and then they go and shoot up a mosque, synagogue, or a black church. Wannabes are the real dangerous ones, but they also aren't representative of the vast number of White Supremacists out there. The vast number look and act just like us, and are harder to locate, and they certainly don't go around making silly hand gestures designed to upset Liberals.
 
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When we see members of the KKK, or the American Nazi Party, or Aryan Nations, or any of the other White Supremacy organisations flashing it to each other as an official symbol such as the swastika or Hitler salute, then sure start getting upset about it, but while it is just a handful of wannabe white supremacists* with zero connection to the official groups, and the vast majority of people doing it are doing so because it upsets Liberals, then it's not something to get your panties in a bunch over.

Yep this is just a couple of norse runes as well nothing to be upset over.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/feb/09/us-military-marines-nazi-ss-flag-photo

To suggest any racist meaning would be to say the marines are a white supremacist organization. Nothing racist there just trigger the libs.

Their comander agreed with you, nothing wrong with an SS flag. So there is that I guess.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-marines-flag-nazi/marines-spared-punishment-for-posing-with-nazi-like-flag-idUSTRE81901220120210
 
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Yes but that means one can use context to determine intent. What I am not seeing is any need to differentiate the "trolling" from expressing their racist ideology. How do we know the crowds making monkey chants are really racist and not just trolling? How can we view the 6 million more chanting at a holocaust remembrance as anything other than trolling? They just did it to trigger the libs after all.

Racist trolling is still racist.

Mainly because idiot racist jerks making monkey chants towards black people is a direct correlation to racism. I missed the 6 million chanting something at a holocaust remembrance, but would really like a link.

People making an "OK" sign with their hands is 99% of the time unless they are an idiot, saying ok or deaf and chatting
 
Some here have brought up Runes, Celtic and Nordic symbols as 'yeah we know what's up, Nazi'.

But these too have been appropriated by WP types, and we let them have it.

Now my wife's Celtic relatives with no options to express their heritage outside crazy red hair, the ability to digest alcohol and causing grave injuries during rugby games.
 
Some here have brought up Runes, Celtic and Nordic symbols as 'yeah we know what's up, Nazi'.

But these too have been appropriated by WP types, and we let them have it.

Yea nothing remotely objectionable about a couple of sig runes. See the marines for proof.
 
Except I did address it and instead of addressing what I said, he strawmanned my argument.



I've already agreed that some idiots don't understand the origin of what they are doing, and yes they think they are doing some sooper special WP signal. The joke is on them too.

When we see members of the KKK, or the American Nazi Party, or Aryan Nations, or any of the other White Supremacy organisations flashing it to each other as an official symbol such as the swastika or Hitler salute, then sure start getting upset about it, but while it is just a handful of wannabe white supremacists* with zero connection to the official groups, and the vast majority of people doing it are doing so because it upsets Liberals, then it's not something to get your panties in a bunch over.



Here's the thing though, the symbol IS NOT RACIST!

The only people that think it is are a few idiot white supremacist wannabes who do it because they are dumb and don't get that it's a hoax and think that flashing it somehow makes them connected to something they aren't really a part of, and a whole lot of Liberals who have fallen for the Hoax hook, line, and sinker. Get it, it's only racist in your mind.

The vast majority of those doing it, aren't doing it because "it's a racist symbol and doing a racist symbol will upset Liberals", they are either doing it because they know it's a hoax and want to upset liberals, or they have heard that if you do it, it will upset liberals, and they want to upset the liberals because the silly liberals have fallen for the hoax and think it's racist.

It is no more racist that the Jesus Fish would be if I started an Internet rumour that anyone with a Jesus Fish on their car is a Racist and it's a message to each other, and got a bunch of other to help me make twitter accounts and Facebook pages and use them to bombard the media with that rumour until they started reporting it and liberals started to fall for it.

Just because a whole bunch of Liberals and a few idiot White Supremacist wannabes have fallen for the hoax, doesn't actually make it suddenly become true.


*Note this really well. When I say White Supremacist wannabe, I'm not saying that they don't believe in white supremacy, that they don't hate Jews. Blacks, Muslims, and others. I'm talking about someone that is outside of the main organisations and has zero power in influencing the main movement. People that want to be a part if it, but they aren't a member, rather they're a hanger on, going to webpages and stewing about it in their "mum's basement", all the time making themselves more and more extreme in their own little echo chamber. Now that doesn't make them not dangerous to others, in fact if anything the wannabes are far more dangerous than members of official groups. Official groups keep their members on a tight leash, they moderate each other's behaviour because lone wolves who go on shooting rampages is a bad look for the entire group these days. Wannabes aren't held back by that influence of their peers. Instead they stew and write up their manifestos and then they go and shoot up a mosque, synagogue, or a black church. Wannabes are the real dangerous ones, but they also aren't representative of the vast number of White Supremacists out there. The vast number look and act just like us, and are harder to locate, and they certainly don't go around making silly hand gestures designed to upset Liberals.

You are wrong.

The symbol is racist when racists make it to trigger the libs or to dog whistle to each other. Racists are the only ones who do make it in any context where it isn't normally found, such as Twitter headers and group photos of far right meetings. This isn't hard to understand for anyone who has any sort of knowledge of how the far right communicates.
 
Yes but that means one can use context to determine intent. What I am not seeing is any need to differentiate the "trolling" from expressing their racist ideology. How do we know the crowds making monkey chants are really racist and not just trolling? How can we view the 6 million more chanting at a holocaust remembrance as anything other than trolling? They just did it to trigger the libs after all.

Racist trolling is still racist.

The thing is that it is only racist in your mind because you have been told to believe it is racist, and you have believed it. The difference between this and the other things you keep on bringing up is what we know the origin of each of them, we know this one was created as a hoax deliberately to make Liberals look stupid for getting upset over something totally innocuous. That was the whole idea of it, to get you to believe the very thing you are believing, and it was to make you look stupid. And guess what, it worked, it makes you look stupid.

Just because you have fallen for this hoax doesn't suddenly make it true, and your desire to make it so by declaring that anyone doing it is clearly racist for using a racist symbol, still doesn't make it true. You are trying rationalise your own falling for their hoax by calling them all white supremacists and racists, rather than accepting that you managed to be fooled. You have to see it as racist trolling because that allows you to feel better about it and still be right, but it doesn't actually change reality, and in reality a bunch of right wingers fooled you into believing that something was racist to make you look foolish.

The more you push the barrow claiming that because you believe it, and others believe it, so that makes it true, just makes you look as silly as those that claim the Earth is flat because they believe it.
 
I am not going to read 25 pages of thread to find out why you think a hand sign used by deaf people talking to each other now means the are white supremacists.

(Wonder how many of them will get beaten up by antifa)
Yeh, I was somewhat surprised at the white widespread supremacism implicit among scuba divers (although I had previously noticed how generally white/non-inclusive it seems to be), then I got it, thanks to uke2se - gotta read the context.

All the same, they might be well advised to change their "everything OK" sign to, maybe, a thumbs-up (which a lot of noobs mistakenly do anyway) so as to avoid unnecessary triggering.
 
You are wrong.

The symbol is racist when racists make it to trigger the libs or to dog whistle to each other. Racists are the only ones who do make it in any context where it isn't normally found, such as Twitter headers and group photos of far right meetings. This isn't hard to understand for anyone who has any sort of knowledge of how the far right communicates.

You really need to go and read the ADL's research on it. One of the things the Hoaxers did was create a bunch of fake twitter accounts and groups to spread the idea. You are still falling for a hoax. The real WS don't use it to "dog-whistle' each other. the Hoaxers and now a bunch of others that like stirring up Left wing liberals, use it to stir you up.
 
The thing is that it is only racist in your mind because you have been told to believe it is racist, and you have believed it. The difference between this and the other things you keep on bringing up is what we know the origin of each of them, we know this one was created as a hoax deliberately to make Liberals look stupid for getting upset over something totally innocuous. That was the whole idea of it, to get you to believe the very thing you are believing, and it was to make you look stupid. And guess what, it worked, it makes you look stupid.

Yes and SS flags are also totally not racist, just ask the marines.
 
Maybe we should have an experiment and all tweet that as "White Supremacists" our "secret sign" we all tweet globally is a slightly limp and wimpy strength handshake.

Then we can watch everyone discussing their daily meetings and who are the bad guys.

It is like the Freemason stuff on steroids
 
It isn't hard to comprehend

It is one of those stupid things currently happening like people wearing a type of cap

Which is fine as long as people treat this meaning for what it is.

Something someone decided it means 2 years ago when the sign has been around with various innocuous meanings for over 2000 years
Sarah Silverman freaking out about mis-drawn swastikas all over the pavements of Noo Yoik was amusing (warning to locals - link to 'extreme right' web site);

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/no-those-arent-swastikas-your-sidewalk/
 
Maybe we should have an experiment and all tweet that as "White Supremacists" our "secret sign" we all tweet globally is a slightly limp and wimpy strength handshake.

Then we can watch everyone discussing their daily meetings and who are the bad guys.

It is like the Freemason stuff on steroids

Look the best take away from this thread is that nothing is racist unless it is from an explicitly racist organization. Hence why we can't say anything about the individuals chanting 6 million more at a holocaust event. That is inherently trolling and they were probably just doing it to trigger the libs. No way can any serious understanding of them being true racist be made from that.
 
When we see members of the KKK, or the American Nazi Party, or Aryan Nations, or any of the other White Supremacy organisations flashing it to each other as an official symbol such as the swastika or Hitler salute, then sure start getting upset about it, but while it is just a handful of wannabe white supremacists* with zero connection to the official groups, and the vast majority of people doing it are doing so because it upsets Liberals, then it's not something to get your panties in a bunch over.

I really don't understand why this is the standard. And what makes a white supremacist group "official" anyways? Is there a government form to fill out?
 
Yeh, I was somewhat surprised at the white widespread supremacism implicit among scuba divers (although I had previously noticed how generally white/non-inclusive it seems to be), then I got it, thanks to uke2se - gotta read the context.

All the same, they might be well advised to change their "everything OK" sign to, maybe, a thumbs-up (which a lot of noobs mistakenly do anyway) so as to avoid unnecessary triggering.

And what so we have to change next? According to the ADL, this same group have been looking at doing more, things like claiming that clapping is anti-feminist, and that the rainbow flag is fascist. Heck, Stout has pointed out that there is a move to make "Hashtag" and # fascist symbols.

The goal of these groups is to make the left look so stupid that no-one will want to be associated with it anymore. How far do we let them push and how many gestures and symbols do we allow them to co-op inside our minds before we say enough is enough and we're not going to allow you to dictate our beliefs with this manipulation.
 

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