Mueller Investigation pt 6

[TellyKNeasuss]

Let me give an example of what I am asking for. What false belief did Americans have that was due to a Russian disinformation campaign?

This is an example of a disinformation campaign from US intelligence and the US media

“In a Knight Ridder poll, 44 percent of Americans reported that either “most” or “some” of the Sept. 11 hijackers were Iraqi citizens. The answer is zero.”
CS Monitor, March 14, 2003

So almost half of all Americans believed that some or most of the 9/11 hijackers were Iraqis. This is false.

Now, I want an example of a false belief that Americans had due to a Russian disinformation campaign. For almost 3 years we've been hearing about how Russia attacked our democracy, how Russia influences our elections etc. I'm sure all these statements weren't just Deep State propaganda phrases put out by western media to fool weak minded individuals, right???

So let's have some specific examples and data.

Out of those 44 percent, exactly how many came to the erroneous belief due to one or more disinformation campaigns? Please list specific individuals who came to this erroneous belief and the exact piece or pieces of disinformation that they used to come to their belief.

 

[Frank Newgent]

Mueller found an entire conspiracy, he just didn't connect the Trump campaign to the planning or executing the plan. It's in Mueller's transcript.

My first inclination was to try and actually deal with your post in a serious manner. But I quickly realized that it would be a massive waste of my time. Sometimes you just have to accept that some people are much happier living in their own version of reality.

Don't play childish games. You're not fooling anyone. You asked me what they did to help, and I answered you. Your slippery weasel words designed to move the bar up and down at your leisure are of no interest to me.

He fired the FBI director, remember?

Asked and answered already. I suggest you read the Mueller report.

Let me give an example of what I am asking for. What false belief did Americans have that was due to a Russian disinformation campaign?

This is an example of a disinformation campaign from US intelligence and the US media

“In a Knight Ridder poll, 44 percent of Americans reported that either “most” or “some” of the Sept. 11 hijackers were Iraqi citizens. The answer is zero.”
CS Monitor, March 14, 2003

So almost half of all Americans believed that some or most of the 9/11 hijackers were Iraqis. This is false.

Now, I want an example of a false belief that Americans had due to a Russian disinformation campaign. For almost 3 years we've been hearing about how Russia attacked our democracy, how Russia influences our elections etc. I'm sure all these statements weren't just Deep State propaganda phrases put out by western media to fool weak minded individuals, right???

So let's have some specific examples and data.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mitch_McConnell

 

[Cavemonster]

Let me give an example of what I am asking for. What false belief did Americans have that was due to a Russian disinformation campaign?

This is an example of a disinformation campaign from US intelligence and the US media

“In a Knight Ridder poll, 44 percent of Americans reported that either “most” or “some” of the Sept. 11 hijackers were Iraqi citizens. The answer is zero.”
CS Monitor, March 14, 2003

So almost half of all Americans believed that some or most of the 9/11 hijackers were Iraqis. This is false.

Now, I want an example of a false belief that Americans had due to a Russian disinformation campaign. For almost 3 years we've been hearing about how Russia attacked our democracy, how Russia influences our elections etc. I'm sure all these statements weren't just Deep State propaganda phrases put out by western media to fool weak minded individuals, right???

So let's have some specific examples and data.

Are you actually unfamiliar with the wealth of disinformation that was spread leading up to the 2016 election? If so, a Google search will enlighten you more quickly and thoroughly than another poster can.

If you're asking for some other reason, it would probably be more productive to be direct in your argument.

 

[Lurch]

Let me give an example of what I am asking for. What false belief did Americans have that was due to a Russian disinformation campaign?

This is an example of a disinformation campaign from US intelligence and the US media

“In a Knight Ridder poll, 44 percent of Americans reported that either “most” or “some” of the Sept. 11 hijackers were Iraqi citizens. The answer is zero.”
CS Monitor, March 14, 2003

So almost half of all Americans believed that some or most of the 9/11 hijackers were Iraqis. This is false.

Now, I want an example of a false belief that Americans had due to a Russian disinformation campaign. For almost 3 years we've been hearing about how Russia attacked our democracy, how Russia influences our elections etc. I'm sure all these statements weren't just Deep State propaganda phrases put out by western media to fool weak minded individuals, right???

So let's have some specific examples and data.

Probably a Sysiphean task because it appears you've already bought into the memes the Russkies have been pushing and amplifying. Anything one might point to you would claim is honest home-grown bilge, not imported.

 

[TellyKNeasuss]

Now, I want an example of a false belief that Americans had due to a Russian disinformation campaign.

An example of a false belief is that 46.09 percent of voters believed the Trump would be a competent president.

 

[PhantomWolf]

I'm guessing Republicans will have their fingers in their ears over Mueller's statements today. He make it as clear as he could without saying "Trump is a Criminal."

Pretty much:

1) The DoJ has no power to indite a sitting President.
2) After exploring the evidence he was unable to clear the President of committing a crime.
3) It's up to Congress to take this forward because no-one else can.
4) The Report is Mueller and his team's testimony on the matter for Congress.

 

[smartcooky]

I'm guessing Republicans will have their fingers in their ears......

FTFY

 

[a_unique_person]

I'm guessing Republicans will have their fingers in their ears over Mueller's statements today. He make it as clear as he could without saying "Trump is a Criminal."

Pretty much:

1) The DoJ has no power to indite a sitting President.
2) After exploring the evidence he was unable to clear the President of committing a crime.
3) It's up to Congress to take this forward because no-one else can.
4) The Report is Mueller and his team's testimony on the matter for Congress.

Someone had better forward the complete report to Congress then.

 

[Cain]

Are you actually unfamiliar with the wealth of disinformation that was spread leading up to the 2016 election? If so, a Google search will enlighten you more quickly and thoroughly than another poster can.

If you're asking for some other reason, it would probably be more productive to be direct in your argument.

Yeah, there were some Facebook ads, but can we please just admit this was blown way out of proportion? The Koch Brothers have spent HUNDREDS of millions of dollars, and, unlike Putin, they don't have America's best interests at heart.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

The Ads aren't the issue.

The IRA trolls and their botnets are.
Tens on millions of Americans had contact with fake accounts, as you can test yourself using online tools.

 

[Aridas]

Especially since it isn't stated in the Constitution at all.

Is it worth repeating again that it was crafted to achieve a specific political purpose? And that it did what it was intended to do. The VP resigned before Nixon.

I'm still not convinced that it should be treated as if it were gospel, especially given that.

Looks like the OLC has a new memo out saying that people around the President can be immune to Congress. Like McGahn. The term, "I smell a rat" comes to mind.

Here's part of one take on it.

As you wade through this sewage, you soon notice that this “OLC” is mainly quoting itself, as well as other writings by associates of presidents. Its diktat is stentorian, and threatening, like when it notes the possibility of what is euphemistically called “inherent contempt” (Congress putting its own handcuffs on those who commit contempt of its subpoenas): “The constitutional separation of powers bars Congress from exercising its inherent contempt power in the face of a presidential assertion of executive privilege. An attempt to exercise inherent contempt powers in such a circumstance would be without precedent and ‘would immeasurably burden the President’s ability to assert the privilege and to carry out his constitutional functions.’” Basis for this? Itself.

They acknowledge one time where the question wound up in the courts, where this wild-ass, and totally unwritten (are you listening, haters of women’s abortion rights?) constitutional rule probably needs to get dealt with. It concerned Dubya’s Harriet Miers, who had McGahn’s job, and this May 20 memo acknowledged that this notion of “immunity” lost, in the district court. See p. 12. But it says that Dubya appealed, and the matter kind of went away by a settlement. So it somehow doesn’t matter that the one court decision was a loser for these monarchists. Back to quoting itself.

Thank God we live in a Country where one is presumed innocent until proven guilty. It seems many believe that one is presumed guilty until exonerated. God Bless America and President Trump.

Chris B.

In a courtroom. Still, you must know how utterly buffoonish this attempt at a defense is here, given the evidence and situation at hand.

Oh my word! I wish.

Things would likely have happened a much differently if he actually was focused on taking down Trump. Trump presents sooooooo many more juicy targets full of obvious crime than the Clintons ever did, after all. Potentially far too many, in the end, though, especially if a bunch of Republican politicians would be nigh certain to be dragged into play.

 

[smartcooky]

Here is what Mueller's statement basically says...

1. The Special Counsel's Office cannot charge Trump because we are not allowed to.

2. If we were able to clear him of wrongdoing, we would have said so. (and we haven't)

3. We tried to clear him, but we could not.

4. Trump obstructed the investigation, and made it difficult for us to do our job.

and finally, a verbatim quote from Mueller

5. "There were multiple, systematic efforts to interfere in our election, and that allegation deserves the attention of every American"

I can only conclude that any American who still believes there was no Russian interference in the 2016 Presidential Election and that Trump did not obstruct justice, is either being wilfully ignorant, or working for Russia, either knowingly (a traitor to his own Country) or unknowingly (a useful idiot).

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Tweets

How do you impeach a Republican President for a crime that was committed by the Democrats? WITCH-HUNT!

 

[Belz...]

Mueller over stepping his mandate

His mandate was to investigate Russian interference in the elections and any related crime revealed by that investigation.

So no, he didn't overstep anything. His decision not to indict is also entirely within the norm.

With Mueller's press conference today nothing was said that wasn't already in the Report, However Mueller proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was from day one looking to destroy Trump in that his little mention that as far as Obstruction he couldn't prove it nor could he disprove it...basically he restoked the fire for the Traitorous Demonrats to go for impeachment. THIS IS NOT a prosecutors job, his opinion is Non-Sequitor and he has no business giving an opinion PERIOD!

I don't know what you're talking about. Trump said Mueller totally exonerated him. So which is it?

A Hack working for the most Vile Political party in the history of the US of A...

Except that, once again, he was working for the Republicans. I think you're overstating your judgment of the GOP, there.

The best thing that can happen is that the DemonRATic party should be abolished for the sake of the Constitutional Republic.

Another indication that you're not sincere. You really want a one-party state?

 

[Belz...]

Let me give an example of what I am asking for.

So you understand why it's irrelevant but you want an example anyway?

Read the Mueller report. Look up various opinions of intelligence communities around the world. Stop acting like a fool and asking people to prove to you that water is wet.

 

[IsThisTheLife]

The Ads aren't the issue.

The IRA trolls and their botnets are.
Tens on millions of Americans had contact with fake accounts, as you can test yourself using online tools.

Oooh, those scary, scary SMERSH operatives! The US's own intelligence agencies were helpless in the face of this sophisticated psy-assault on the minds of "tens of millions of Americans".

Neither would those upstanding US agencies dream of using such sinister tactics to influence the American body-politic and elections - no, no, no!

 

[Belz...]

Oooh, those scary, scary SMERSH operatives! The US's own intelligence agencies were helpless in the face of this sophisticated psy-assault on the minds of "tens of millions of Americans".

If you'll allow your sarcasm to subside for a moment and engage your cerebral cortex for more than a few seconds to tie your shoelaces, you'll realise that online campaigns can be very difficult to spot and counter. Besides the hacking episodes, the Russians did most of the work in the form of social media disinformation. It's not easy to detect and stop. It's the new face of state-to-state interference, and it'll take a while to adapt to it properly. Either way, and regardless of which parties or individuals are supported by such foreign efforts, you should be worried that they are ongoing and campainging for counter-efforts to be made.

No?

 

[IsThisTheLife]

If you'll allow your sarcasm to subside for a moment and engage your cerebral cortex for more than a few seconds to tie your shoelaces, you'll realise that online campaigns can be very difficult to spot and counter. Besides the hacking episodes, the Russians did most of the work in the form of social media disinformation. It's not easy to detect and stop. It's the new face of state-to-state interference, and it'll take a while to adapt to it properly. Either way, and regardless of which parties or individuals are supported by such foreign efforts, you should be worried that they are ongoing and campainging for counter-efforts to be made.

No?

Well, that's just your opinion, maaan.

 

[IsThisTheLife]

The Ads aren't the issue.

The IRA trolls and their botnets are.
Tens on millions of Americans had contact with fake accounts, as you can test yourself using online tools.

Yeh, those morans sure aren't smart cookies like you.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Yeh, those morans sure aren't smart cookies like you.

My demographic wasn't a target.