Mueller Investigation pt 6

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IsThisTheLife said:
And FFS, why do you people assume everyone who detests liberalism are Trumpophiles? Is your thinking really that crass?
Belz... said:
Oops, now you made another mistake. No one here made that assumption. First, it was a question, and second, it's experience, not assumption.
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Is your memory really that bad? If so, perhaps you should be more careful when you try to "score points"?
Belz... said:
What basis do you have for discounting their conclusions, other than Trump being your guy?
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IsThisTheLife said:
BTW, as far as impeachment goes, you people are delusional if you believe the rhetoric coming from Democrat politicians and DC-ites generally. Never. Going. To. Happen. What we're witnessing are the last gasps of what's never been anything but a smokescreen, a snowjob distracting from the real, entrenched corruption and criminality there which took root decades ago.
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It seems most democrats are not calling for impeachment.
 
IsThisTheLife said:
BTW, as far as impeachment goes, you people are delusional if you believe the rhetoric coming from Democrat politicians and DC-ites generally. Never. Going. To. Happen. What we're witnessing are the last gasps of what's never been anything but a smokescreen, a snowjob distracting from the real, entrenched corruption and criminality there which took root decades ago.
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How did you come to that conclusion? What corruption and criminality? Trump has spent his entire life cheating and lying about almost everything and you're concluding that it's the FBI and our Intelligence Services that are corrupt?

Do you hear yourself?
 
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IsThisTheLife said:
Stupid? The irony. Just in case you still don't get it, I was saying that [many if not most] liberals think that simply styling themselves as 'liberal' (and make no mistake, it is largely empty posturing, virtue-signalling) makes them look smart. My opinion is that, like marxism/leftism generally, anyone who still cleaves to such a demonstrably destructive, so-called ideology into adulthood is simply weak-minded.
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Oh, I know what you were saying. But your post made no sense from a logical perspective, which is what I said.

You said "You mean "smart people" who are liberals, because all smart people are liberals, right?" Those two statements do not follow from each other, either way. It's entirely possible that the first statement is true without the second being true, making your use of the word "because" nonsensical. Anyone with a basic knowledge of set theory or basic logic can see that.
 
IsThisTheLife said:
Is your memory really that bad? If so, perhaps you should be more careful when you try to "score points"?
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I know exactly what I said, and it doesn't mean what you pretended to mean. I offered a possible answer, as a question, and asked for a different one. It's not my problem if your mastery of English is about as good as your mastery of logic.

Incidently, he who smelled it dealt it. If anyone's trying to "score points" (your words, not mine, making the use of quotation marks spurrious at best and dishonest at worst) it's you, given your behaviour since your arrival.
 
The fact that all of the underlying evidence for Mueller's report is under control of Barr is of great concern.
 
Belz... said:
No, it's the opinion of intelligence professionals in the US and abroad.

What basis do you have for discounting their conclusions, other than Trump being your guy?
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Trump supporters cannot believe they were influenced while at the same time they repeat the the false and distorted messages they themselves read or heard in the right wing blogosphere.

For example, Mueller's statement was clear: if he could have exonerated Trump he would have and he did not. Trumpers continue to repeat what Trump keeps repeating: he was exonerated.

But they don't see that as being influenced by propaganda.
 
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Trump Tweets

Robert Mueller came to the Oval Office (along with other potential candidates) seeking to be named the Director of the FBI. He had already been in that position for 12 years, I told him NO. The next day he was named Special Counsel - A total Conflict of Interest. NICE!
 
The Shrike said:
It doesn't matter, as they're using that narrative already. You're right in that the best way to combat Trump is to bury him through the voting booth, but those Trumpistas are coming out to vote no matter what. What are they going to do with a knife-in-the-back narrative, vote harder?

Democrats need to forget about polling, stop worrying about what the Senate will do, and defend the Constitution as is their sworn duty. The whole argument for impeachment is that the POTUS has acted outside the bounds of the Constitution. With ample evidence to indicate his transgressions, Congress is shirking their duty if they fail to impeach. Plus, once impeachment hearings are opened, I assume it will be easier to get key players, e.g., Mueller, to testify before Congress. That will create an environment in which more Senate Republicans will be pressured into defecting back into reality.
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I think a Trump impeachment that doesn't end in a conviction is a lot more politically dangerous then some people think.

A Trump rolling into 2020 with a "I beat the Dems attempt to impeach me" narrative, twisted as it might be, is going to be hard to deal with.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

Robert Mueller came to the Oval Office (along with other potential candidates) seeking to be named the Director of the FBI. He had already been in that position for 12 years, I told him NO. The next day he was named Special Counsel - A total Conflict of Interest. NICE!
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How is that a conflict of interest?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

Robert Mueller came to the Oval Office (along with other potential candidates) seeking to be named the Director of the FBI. He had already been in that position for 12 years, I told him NO. The next day he was named Special Counsel - A total Conflict of Interest. NICE!
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Trump and his cult want to convince the public that Mueller exonerated Trump...
And they also continue to try to discredit Mueller...

Wow.
 
JoeMorgue said:
I think a Trump impeachment that doesn't end in a conviction is a lot more politically dangerous then some people think.

A Trump rolling into 2020 with a "I beat the Dems attempt to impeach me" narrative, twisted as it might be, is going to be hard to deal with.
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I think that not even attempting to impeach will be very dangerous for the 2020 elections. The large turnout in 2018 was about impeaching Trump along with health care issues. Without an attempt to impeach, people will not turn out to vote for Democrats.
 
JoeMorgue said:
I think a Trump impeachment that doesn't end in a conviction is a lot more politically dangerous then some people think.

A Trump rolling into 2020 with a "I beat the Dems attempt to impeach me" narrative, twisted as it might be, is going to be hard to deal with.
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A Trump impeachment is the right thing to do.

The Democrats are damned either way. If they don't they are weak and piss a bunch of supporters off. If they do they risk looking like they are beating a dead horse.

My feeling is, the latter is the GOP messaging: if you impeach, the public will see it as a waste of time.

We should do the right thing. Pelosi needs to take another look at the situation which if there is a big enough public outcry, I believe she will.
 
JoeMorgue said:
A Trump rolling into 2020 with a "I beat the Dems attempt to impeach me" narrative, twisted as it might be, is going to be hard to deal with.
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But he's already doing that with "I beat the Dems' failed #WitchHunt #NoCollusion #TotallyExonerated!"

He's using – and benefiting from – such rhetoric whether impeached or not. Therefore, politically, they might as well impeach as it can either lead to his removal from office or have no effect. A "failed" impeachment can't make anything worse for the Democrats. It's not a win or lose proposition. It's a win or no worse proposition. You think that if the House doesn't impeach Trump's gonna have his MAGA crowds chanting "Thank you for your clear-headedness on this issue, Speaker Pelosi"?

Constitutionally, they must impeach. How could it be any more clear that their sworn duty to the Constitution demands impeachment given what we know? That's how they should frame the argument, too: "Here is our oath. Here is what we know. We don't want to further disrupt the important work of government, and we realize that we are likely to incur significant political damage from taking this drastic step. But our oath of office demands this action at this pivotal point in our Nation's history."
 
Cain said:
Yeah, there were some Facebook ads, but can we please just admit this was blown way out of proportion? The Koch Brothers have spent HUNDREDS of millions of dollars, and, unlike Putin, they don't have America's best interests at heart.
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Thank you Cain, you magnificent bastard.
 
The House of Reps should at least have an investigation, call some witnesses, maybe even request a sworn statement from Trump, so he can done like Bill Clinton was done.

I can't even keep track of how many times he has obstructed justice, calling the Mueller investigation a "witch hunt" is obstruction of justice.

He should do the usual "no comment"
 
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