Mueller Investigation pt 6

[Aridas]

Trump should only be impeached if there's a reasonable shot at success. The truth doesn't matter, only Trump's removal from office matters. What good does it do to impeach Trump if he is acquitted in the Senate trial going into the general election? Impeachment should be used to put Trump's transgressions in front of the electorate but timed in such a way as not to have a resolution until after the election.

As long as it can be reasonably shown that the Senate Republicans simply don't care about anything higher than rank partisanship and are solely basing their refusal to impeach on that? Failure to impeach can be made to backfire on them. If handled appropriately, of course, which Democrats don't have a good record of doing.

This isn't even remotely close in nature to the political hit jobs that the GOP have just kept doing, to the point where Republicans frequently seem to have lost the ability to distinguish between valid concerns and stuff that Trump and other Republican leaders pull out of their patooties.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Republicans didn't suffer much from impeaching Clinton - they just didn't get rid of him.

I think the negative consequences for Dems from impeachment are vastly overrated.

 

[I Am The Scum]

Here's an interesting video from Marco Rubio. He seems legitimately concerned about the Attorney General...

 

[BobTheCoward]

As long as it can be reasonably shown that the Senate Republicans simply don't care about anything higher than rank partisanship and are solely basing their refusal to impeach on that? Failure to impeach can be made to backfire on them. If handled appropriately, of course, which Democrats don't have a good record of doing.

This isn't even remotely close in nature to the political hit jobs that the GOP have just kept doing, to the point where Republicans frequently seem to have lost the ability to distinguish between valid concerns and stuff that Trump and other Republican leaders pull out of their patooties.

I don't think you would be able to reasonably show it.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Here's an interesting video from Marco Rubio. He seems legitimately concerned about the Attorney General...

Well, that's the Old House he's talking about. Interesting in view of some of the giddy excitement I'm hearing from Dem supporters and NeverTrumpers, is that that case is still in the courts. Very similar scenario. House subpoenaed the AG. AG refused to show. WH claimed executive privilege. House sued. It's still in the courts seven years later.

In short, don't expect Barr or the admin to blink just because the House holds someone in contempt.

 

[Bob001]

Here's an interesting video from Marco Rubio. He seems legitimately concerned about the Attorney General...

Did you note which Attorney General? It's a complaint about Eric Holder from 2012.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Did you note which Attorney General? It's a complaint about Eric Holder from 2012.

I think that was the point.

 

[uke2se]

It would seem that the checks and balances that were supposed to reign in Trump's excesses according to Trump apologists on these boards hinges on GOP senators being willing to let country go before party.

Fat chance of that happening, so constitutional crisis and a failure of checks and balances it is.

 

[Upchurch]

Republicans didn't suffer much from impeaching Clinton - they just didn't get rid of him.

I think the negative consequences for Dems from impeachment are vastly overrated.

Clinton’s popularity spiked after his removal failed. I think the concern is that that will happen with Trump as well. The risk being that spike happening right before the 2020 election.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Clinton’s popularity spiked after his removal failed. I think the concern is that that will happen with Trump as well. The risk being that spike happening right before the 2020 election.

but did that spike translate into the next election?
maybe a litte, but not much.

I think voters can tell the difference between keeping mum about a BJ and obstructing an investigation into your collusion.

 

[applecorped]

So Trump now has admitted to defrauding banks "for sport".


Too bad that the Statutes of Limitations have most likely run out.

Cromulent usage of the Rule Of So

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Cromulent usage of the Rule Of So

so it turns out that there is no such thing as the Rule of So.

 

[Beelzebuddy]

I think voters can tell the difference between keeping mum about a BJ and obstructing an investigation into your collusion.

I don't.

 

[jeremyp]

but did that spike translate into the next election?
maybe a litte, but not much.

Clinton was impeached in his second term. He didn't stand at the following election.

I think voters can tell the difference between keeping mum about a BJ and obstructing an investigation into your collusion.

How adorably naive.

Actually, I agree with you, but not necessarily about which one the voters think the most serious. Don't forget that Trump has been relentlessly peddling the line that the investigation was a Democratic witch hunt and judging by his approval rating, about 42% of people have bought the line. Impeachment followed by acquittal might just give him the boost he needs for re-election.

 

[wareyin]

Actually, I agree with you, but not necessarily about which one the voters think the most serious. Don't forget that Trump has been relentlessly peddling the line that the investigation was a Democratic witch hunt and judging by his approval rating, about 42% of people have bought the line. Impeachment followed by acquittal might just give him the boost he needs for re-election.

Trump could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and most of those 42% would still support him. The God Emperor can do no wrong.

 

[Upchurch]

but did that spike translate into the next election?
maybe a litte, but not much.

Well, he certainly didn't get elected to a third term and his VP, who actually ran in the next election, only got 500K more popular votes than his opponent.

I feel like Trump wishes he could have gotten 500K more popular votes than his opponent.

 

[The Shrike]

Clinton’s popularity spiked after his removal failed. I think the concern is that that will happen with Trump as well. The risk being that spike happening right before the 2020 election.

Yes, there is a risk that Trump's popularity would increase following impeachment. Worrying about that is valid. Failing to impeach because of that worry is not. If the matter is grave enough that impeachment is warranted, then by definition it is a country over party issue.

(Also, although Clinton's popularity spiked afterwards and he left office with a budget surplus, he was seen as so toxic that Gore distanced himself on the campaign trail. The Clintons are still politically toxic – if they weren't we wouldn't be in this current mess.)

 

[Bob001]

Clinton was impeached in his second term. He didn't stand at the following election. ....

Well, he certainly didn't get elected to a third term and his VP, who actually ran in the next election, only got 500K more popular votes than his opponent.
....

Surely you understand that the U.S. President is Constitutionally limited to two terms?

 

[Bob001]

.....
(Also, although Clinton's popularity spiked afterwards and he left office with a budget surplus, he was seen as so toxic that Gore distanced himself on the campaign trail. The Clintons are still politically toxic – if they weren't we wouldn't be in this current mess.)

Gore was personally offended by Clinton's behavior and chose to distance himself. Many observers think he made a big mistake by not more fully embracing Clinton's record (eight years of peace and prosperity, concluding with a budget surplus), and welcoming his help.

 

[theprestige]

Well, he certainly didn't get elected to a third term and his VP, who actually ran in the next election, only got 500K more popular votes than his opponent.

I feel like Trump wishes he could have gotten 500K more popular votes than his opponent.

On the other hand, Trump got 100k more popular votes in Florida, Gore's bete noir. So he might also be feeling pretty smug about putting Florida beyond dispute, which Bush failed to do. In fact, Trump won Florida by a larger margin (both raw votes and percentage) than Obama did in 2012.

I'm sure Trump wishes he had won all the votes. But I think he's got reason to feel good about winning the popular votes that mattered, in the states that mattered, and without the tiresomeness of a recount slapfight.