National Emergency

The resolution is still referred to committee with no hearing on it I can find. At this point it will need to start moving with unanimous consent. They are running out of time before recess if anyone forces cloture votes.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
The resolution is still referred to committee with no hearing on it I can find. At this point it will need to start moving with unanimous consent. They are running out of time before recess if anyone forces cloture votes.
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Out of curiosity, what happens if the thing drags on for months and months without ever being finalised? Does the status quo continue to apply? If so, what is that status quo?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

Republican Senators have a very easy vote this week. It is about Border Security and the Wall (stopping Crime, Drugs etc.), not Constitutionality and Precedent. It is an 80% positive issue. The Dems are 100% United, as usual, on a 20% issue, Open Borders and Crime. Get tough R’s!
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Segnosaur said:
Umm... wait a second...

Did Trump just state that he doesn't care about the constitution?
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Captain_Swoop said:
It would seem so.
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Stacyhs said:
He'll deny he ever wrote it and declare it Fake News.
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The words "constitutionality" and "precedent" not in the Trump personal vocabulary. I seriously doubt he can pronounce them without his teeth falling out, let alone understand what they mean in context. This sounds like Miller put him up to this one. Fake Trump!!
 
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How is everyone doing during this time of National Emergency? I'm fine. Still hunkered down in the basement with plenty of food, water and bullets stocked. No brown horde is going to rape, murder or spread smallpox in my house!
 
Stacyhs said:
How is everyone doing during this time of National Emergency? I'm fine. Still hunkered down in the basement with plenty of food, water and bullets stocked. No brown horde is going to rape, murder or spread smallpox in my house!
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Norman Alexander said:
So with court cases proceeding, is the EC effective? Or do the courts need to issue stays for that.
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Well, here's where legal theory gets tricky. While the President can fire (some) people who would have to actually enact changes, those people are also very aware of the ethics rules which say they can't mess with their budgets as Congress allocated them. Especially those who are in departments the money is being moved away from, one wonders if they really have pressed any buttons or made any moves. Certainly a lot of department staff are calling their lawyers and asking questions.

But no, I don't recall any stays being issued.

Here's the big multi-state case:
https://dockets.justia.com/docket/california/candce/4:2019cv00872/338455

So far all the actions appear to be cobbling the various cases into this one and all the out-of-state lawyers filing their appearances.

Trump's order is theoretically active, as far as I can tell.

and yet...there's no indication it is actually getting built (plenty of repairs and additions had already been budgeted). There is no concrete behemoth wall going up, there's no barrier going up in stupidly remote areas, just planned expansions and maintenance by all appearances.

ETA: hell, his new budget calls for the funds to build the wall. Why does the next budget need that if he's building it with the current budget?
 
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Delphic Oracle said:
Well, here's where legal theory gets tricky. While the President can fire (some) people who would have to actually enact changes, those people are also very aware of the ethics rules which say they can't mess with their budgets as Congress allocated them. Especially those who are in departments the money is being moved away from, one wonders if they really have pressed any buttons or made any moves. Certainly a lot of department staff are calling their lawyers and asking questions.

But no, I don't recall any stays being issued.

Here's the big multi-state case:
https://dockets.justia.com/docket/california/candce/4:2019cv00872/338455

So far all the actions appear to be cobbling the various cases into this one and all the out-of-state lawyers filing their appearances.

Trump's order is theoretically active, as far as I can tell.

and yet...there's no indication it is actually getting built (plenty of repairs and additions had already been budgeted). There is no concrete behemoth wall going up, there's no barrier going up in stupidly remote areas, just planned expansions and maintenance by all appearances.

ETA: hell, his new budget calls for the funds to build the wall. Why does the next budget need that if he's building it with the current budget?
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It certainly appears that there is no emergency at all if the border forces are already dealing successfully with all current incursions using what they have right now. Which is precisely what Team Trump are claiming...:boggled:

In which case they have created a very expensive and utterly time-wasting legal and financial quandary out of nothing that will gain them absolutely nothing should they "win" and is no loss to them if they concede (i.e. it's all pointless). Is that SERIOUSLY acceptable as the work of competent legal and fiscal experts who run a nation? If any private company's legal and accounting team behaved like this, their board and shareholders would fire them on the spot with all benefits forfeit.
 
Norman Alexander said:
It certainly appears that there is no emergency at all if the border forces are already dealing successfully with all current incursions using what they have right now. Which is precisely what Team Trump are claiming...:boggled:

In which case they have created a very expensive and utterly time-wasting legal and financial quandary out of nothing that will gain them absolutely nothing should they "win" and is no loss to them if they concede (i.e. it's all pointless). Is that SERIOUSLY acceptable as the work of competent legal and fiscal experts who run a nation? If any private company's legal and accounting team behaved like this, their board and shareholders would fire them on the spot with all benefits forfeit.
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There were some (federalized?) forces that festooned barbed wire all over some fence in one town. The town was not happy that their quite multicultural community (on an international border, can you imagine?) was being portrayed to the rest of the country like it was the Green Zone circa 2006.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
There were some (federalized?) forces that festooned barbed wire all over some fence in one town. The town was not happy that their quite multicultural community (on an international border, can you imagine?) was being portrayed to the rest of the country like it was the Green Zone circa 2006.
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El Paso. Then they had Trump turn up and do a speech as well. I would not have been surprised if someone had given him a kick in the bollox.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
The resolution is still referred to committee with no hearing on it I can find. At this point it will need to start moving with unanimous consent. They are running out of time before recess if anyone forces cloture votes.
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Isn't the Senate obligated by law to vote on it?
 
uke2se said:
Isn't the Senate obligated by law to vote on it?
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Yes, one provision in the National Emergencies Act is that the Senate must vote on the disapproval bill within 18 days (or the House would, if the Senate had passed the original bill). McConnell can't kill it without a vote.
 
Stacyhs said:
How is everyone doing during this time of National Emergency? I'm fine. Still hunkered down in the basement with plenty of food, water and bullets stocked. No brown horde is going to rape, murder or spread smallpox in my house!
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I wonder if I could get a few of them to do some cleaning while they're here. My place sure needs it.

Maybe some yard work, too.
 
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