National Emergency

slyjoe said:
My question has always been:

"When did the emergency start?".

I want a date. If you can't answer that, it's not an emergency.
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So, bird flu wasn't an emergency because there was no clear start date?
 
Armitage72 said:
He keeps saying that the wall is already under major construction. If that's the case, then why does he need to declare an emergency to get the funding?
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This is one of the things that I wish that I knew as well.

And to make things ever stranger, on the very day he officially declared this National Emergency, he also stated 'that it was not necessary to declare a National Emergency'. And shortly thereafter, he goes down to Florida to play golf for a couple of days.

So if there really is a National Emergency of some sort, then Trump is not too terribly worried about it and he is not working very hard to correct it.
 
pgwenthold said:
1) the wall is under major construction
2) Lots and lots and lots of people are getting arrested at the border

Clearly, there is an emergency....

BTW, notice that nowadays, he is decrying a "humanitarian crisis" at the border. Yeah, there is....one he started.

The way to solve it is to do things like, stop separating kids from their parents.
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That's not the only humanitarian crisis at the border. If we allowed families to stay together, not in detention, when they apply for asylum, there would still be issues of large numbers of impoverished families in our border states (I assume that they'd need to stay in the region they crossed because that's where they need to show for court).

Again, I'm not at all in favor of this declaration, but the large numbers of families applying for asylum now is stressing the system. The numbers of illegal crossings are not as high as previously (not nearly so, if I'm not mistaken) but the fact that it's a lot of families and they're applying for asylum is a different situation and I think is legitimately a humanitarian crisis.

Not everything that Trump refers to is totally divorced from the truth nor is quite everything his fault. His solution sucks and his declaration of an emergency just because he couldn't get his signature issue going through Congressional action is ******** nonetheless.
 
Trump Tweets

The Democrats are “Border Deniers.” They refuse to see or acknowledge the Death, Crime, Drugs and Human Trafficking at our Southern Border!

Prominent legal scholars agree that our actions to address the National Emergency at the Southern Border and to protect the American people are both CONSTITUTIONAL and EXPRESSLY authorized by Congress....

....If, at a later date, Congress wants to update the law, I will support those efforts, but today’s issue is BORDER SECURITY and Crime!!! Don’t vote with Pelosi!

A vote for today’s resolution by Republican Senators is a vote for Nancy Pelosi, Crime, and the Open Border Democrats!
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

The Democrats are “Border Deniers.” They refuse to see or acknowledge the Death, Crime, Drugs and Human Trafficking at our Southern Border!

Prominent legal scholars agree that our actions to address the National Emergency at the Southern Border and to protect the American people are both CONSTITUTIONAL and EXPRESSLY authorized by Congress....

....If, at a later date, Congress wants to update the law, I will support those efforts, but today’s issue is BORDER SECURITY and Crime!!! Don’t vote with Pelosi!

A vote for today’s resolution by Republican Senators is a vote for Nancy Pelosi, Crime, and the Open Border Democrats!
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One last desperate throw of the dice, eh? Which "prominent legal scholars" would those be? Because the only "prominent legal scholars" Trump knows are currently being sentenced to extended periods in jail or quitting their jobs with him.
 
Here's the deal.
I think the wall is a stupid idea, but that is not the real issue here. It's Trump trying to get around the Constitution and void the Congress's power of the purse..which is the main weapon the Congress has to control the Executive. I don't care it what he wants to spend money on is the greatest idea on Earth,he should not do it without Congress approving it.
And if a Democratic president tried the same thing, I would be just as opposed. In face, I did not like it when Obama tried to get around Congress,even though I agreed with what he wanted to do. And Obama never went as far as Trump has.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Prominent legal scholars agree that our actions to address the National Emergency at the Southern Border and to protect the American people are both CONSTITUTIONAL and EXPRESSLY authorized by Congress....

....If, at a later date, Congress wants to update the law, I will support those efforts, but today’s issue is BORDER SECURITY and Crime!!! Don’t vote with Pelosi!
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In other words "I want to do this, but I don't want the next Democratic president to be able to so".
 
slyjoe said:
Bird flu - never a national emergency. Swine flu was in 2009. And there were reasons for the actions taken that were not subjective.
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Okay, swine flu. My mistake, but the point stands. You originally said, "'When did the emergency start?' I want a date. If you can't answer that, it's not an emergency."

So, if you can't give a date that the swine flu emergency started, it was not an emergency by your own standards.

There are plenty of reasons to doubt that this is a National Emergency, but your own standard isn't convincing.
 
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Belz... said:
Not much of a blow if he can veto it.
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There's still the 2/3rds or so of the public that don't like this power grab to build his vanity wall. Now, he's going to push for a budget that cuts Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, and he's got to continue telling Congressional Republicans they better not vote against him or they'll suffer the revenge of the trumpers. It's a suicide cult.
 
phiwum said:
Okay, swine flu. My mistake, but the point stands. You originally said, "'When did the emergency start?' I want a date. If you can't answer that, it's not an emergency."

So, if you can't give a date that the swine flu emergency started, it was not an emergency by your own standards.

There are plenty of reasons to doubt that this is a National Emergency, but your own standard isn't convincing.
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I don't have the material in front of me, but if I remember from my readings it was CDC (I think) that declared a "national health emergency" and then 6 months later Obama got around to declaring a "national emergency". He seems to have gotten a bit of heat about waiting so long. i'm going by memory which I know is fallible.
 
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