National Emergency

Belz... said:
How?
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That's the thing... they can't. The Democrats can't get their crap together long enough to amass enough actual power in actual places that it matters to stop him and the Republicans can't figure out a way to throw the Captain over the side without also sinking the boat.

I think we need to face the reality that Trump isn't going away until we vote him out in 2020. Each day that passes his chances of making it to the end of this term are ticking up, not down as far as I'm concerned.

Again... I know I harp on this. I really, honestly do and I have never wanted to be more wrong about something in my entire life. But I'm not getting a "noose tightening" vibe off the political landscape right now. I'm getting an Id driven man-child getting more and more comfortable with what he's allowed to get away with vibe.
 
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JoeMorgue said:
That's the thing... they can't. The Democrats can't get their crap together long enough to amass enough actual power in actual places that it matters to stop him and the Republicans can't figure out a way to throw the Captain over the side without also sinking the boat.

I think we need to face the reality that Trump isn't going away until we vote him out in 2020. Each day that passes his chances of making it to the end of this term are ticking up, not down as far as I'm concerned.

Again... I know I harp on this. I really and I have never wanted to be more wrong about something in my entire life. But I'm not getting a "noose tightening" vibe off the political landscape right now. I'm getting an Id driven man-child getting more and more comfortable with what he's allowed to get away with vibe.
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Sure, but even if such public investigations don't lead to removal via impeachment, I think airing Trump's dirty laundry is going to hurt his re-election chances.

Him fighting the D's to keep his dirty deeds secret, and losing, is going to make him look weak. Humiliation is not re-election fuel.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Might as well have Pelosi joining the breakaway Republicans in a sarcastic clap at him again since that was the last "Big win lookit how awesome that win was OMG we're just so great and awesome" anybody got against Trump.
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I know people thought it was funny. I don't remember anybody opining that it was a "big win". Can you quote anybody saying that?
 
JoeMorgue said:
That's the thing... they can't. The Democrats can't get their crap together long enough to amass enough actual power in actual places that it matters to stop him and the Republicans can't figure out a way to throw the Captain over the side without also sinking the boat.

I think we need to face the reality that Trump isn't going away until we vote him out in 2020. Each day that passes his chances of making it to the end of this term are ticking up, not down as far as I'm concerned.

Again... I know I harp on this. I really, honestly do and I have never wanted to be more wrong about something in my entire life. But I'm not getting a "noose tightening" vibe off the political landscape right now. I'm getting an Id driven man-child getting more and more comfortable with what he's allowed to get away with vibe.
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I see this particular vote in the senate as more important to senate elections in 2020 than anything having to do with the president. In close races it may matter that a GOP senator handed over the most important power of the legislative branch to satisfy the whims of an unpopular president.
 
Crossbow said:
It is nice to see that there are still at least few Republicans who are not butt-kissing Trump toadies. These few actually do have the good sense to finally vote against Trump when it comes to an important issue.
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Collins is trying to rehabilitate her image after her Kavanaugh speech.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Thanks.

So the House is there. And the Senate has to get to 66 votes. With a 2-seat majority, that would mean...18 GOP senators to flip?
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67 for super-majority.

But a veto vote is often different from a bill vote. It can be viewed more about the principle of the Congress vs. the West Wing. More Senators might vote to uphold the legitimacy of the vote even if they voted against it.
 
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Delphic Oracle said:
67 for super-majority.

But a veto vote is often different from a bill vote. It can be viewed more about the principle of the Congress vs. the West Wing. More Senators might vote to uphold the legitimacy of the vote even if they voted against it.
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So it is within the realms of possibility the veto vote will carry with a super-majority? If so, does that mean Trump must accept the result power of the legislative branch? Not that I expect he will see it that way. He will rant and rave about border security and communist lefty Dems, etc.
 
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Norman Alexander said:
So it is within the realms of possibility the veto vote will carry with a super-majority? If so, does that mean Trump must accept the result power of the legislative branch? Not that I expect he will see it that way. He will rant and rave about border security and communist lefty Dems, etc.
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It's still a tough sell for anyone in a district where Trump is popular and they could get primaried.

From what I'm reading, no vote is scheduled but it is "anticipated" on Thursday the 14th of March.
 
Crossbow said:
It is nice to see that there are still at least few Republicans who are not butt-kissing Trump toadies. These few actually do have the good sense to finally vote against Trump when it comes to an important issue.
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Respectfully, I don't see it that way. I see it as some Republicans are scared witless that, in the future, a "librul" President will declare a national emergency on the number of firearms in the country leading to "an unacceptable number of mass shootings and needless deaths" and start pumping out executive orders to "grab them guns".

Or even declare a national health emergency for the "unacceptable number of needless deaths in the health care system" and pump up Obamacare to be a truly socialized health-care system.

It's not about Trump, really, it's about future Presidential power grabs.
 
Traveler Steve said:
Respectfully, I don't see it that way. I see it as some Republicans are scared witless that, in the future, a "librul" President will declare a national emergency on the number of firearms in the country leading to "an unacceptable number of mass shootings and needless deaths" and start pumping out executive orders to "grab them guns".

Or even declare a national health emergency for the "unacceptable number of needless deaths in the health care system" and pump up Obamacare to be a truly socialized health-care system.

It's not about Trump, really, it's about future Presidential power grabs.
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And that's completely rational. The Democrats have not been late to outright state that if this passes the courts, it'll be precedent and future Democratic Presidents will use it to push through liberal issues.

Anyone opposed to liberal issues should be opposed to Trump's handling on this. The problem is that Trumpists aren't able to process information the way the rest of us can.
 
Norman Alexander said:
They want to see Trump set the law by breaking the law. Perfectly rational.
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Well, if you don't care much about the law in the first place, it could be depending on your ultimate goal.

My point was that it's rational for Goopers to worry about a Democratic President using the same method in the future. They will.
 
Trump Tweets

We are on track to APPREHEND more than one million people coming across the Southern Border this year. Great job by Border Patrol (and others) who are working in a Broken System. Can be fixed by Congress so easily and quickly if only the Democrats would get on board!
 
Is he really saying that nearly 3000 people are apprehended each day on the border?
 
Traveler Steve said:
It is nice to see that there are still at least few Republicans who are not butt-kissing Trump toadies. These few actually do have the good sense to finally vote against Trump when it comes to an important issue.
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Respectfully, I don't see it that way. I see it as some Republicans are scared witless that, in the future, a "librul" President will declare a national emergency on the number of firearms in the country...Or even declare a national health emergency
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Exactly.

Remember, these are the republicans who acted to confirm Drunky McRapeface to the Supreme court (as well as such stellar nominees as Devos to the cabinet). They have no real sense of integrity.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Is he really saying that nearly 3000 people are apprehended each day on the border?
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That is correct. Over 76,000 were apprehended crossing the border in February.

https://www.vox.com/2019/3/6/18253444/border-statistics-illegal-immigration-trump

The Trump administration reported that 76,103 people tried to enter the US without valid papers in February. That number combines people who came to official border crossings and migrants who were caught by Border Patrol after crossing illegally.

But while current apprehension levels are higher than they’ve been in the last decade, they’re still way below pre-recession levels.

What is truly unprecedented is who the migrants are.

Almost two-thirds of Border Patrol apprehensions are of parents and their children. While we don’t have complete historical data, it seems likely that more families are coming to the US without papers than ever before. Additionally, a large share of migrants (both families and single adults) are expressing a desire to seek asylum.
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Maybe I'm wrong, but you seem to have expressed incredulity at that number. Now that I presented evidence that the number is more credible, does that change any of your views?
 
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