Marcus
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Didn't you promise to give it up and admit you were wrong right about now if no products were forthcoming?
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Cont: Brilliant Light Power Going To Market - Free Energy Generator Part 3
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jrhowell
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RecoveringYuppy
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That's not the promise he made for this month. That one hasn't expired yet.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11733720&postcount=1693
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RecoveringYuppy
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Oh, didn't know that. I thought he'd set a different goal for this month. Thanks.
Red Baron Farms
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I want to eat humble pie too! That looks delicious.
I offer to eat my hat and I even offered to eat crow if I was proven wrong!
Somehow I got hornswaggled into a rip off!
Don't think it is a fraud in that sense. I'm sure he is producing arcs and probably plasma but it's like Red Baron Farms has described several times: you can produce plasma etc. doesn't mean you are producing excess energy.
He will probably for many more years remain needing just one more engineering kink to be straightened out and then the generator will start to produce excess power. Remember his background is the "over unity" community.
OK, OK, you found me and my pie out. While confessing I may as well say there will be a large serving of pralines and cream ice cream placed beside my pie, making a fork rather superfluous when a single spoon will do.
I've since discovered that the sphere is probably just 10kg. So my 325kW will have to be adjusted down to 325*(10/25)kW = 130kW. And now a further refinement : Assuming an emissivity of .4 for the spherical surface, there will be an average of about 80kW in radiative power loss over the span of 20 seconds, putting the power output more appropriately to about 200kW.
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markie, the video is a waste of time since it's a fraud.
How much Product Hydrino® “in a bottle” did BLP sell last year? Why didn't Mills prove to the world that hydrinos exist by simply showing them as he promised BLP would do a year ago? He's been claiming to be able to produce this stuff for at least a decade now. He's been claiming to have hydrino compounds for years. Last year, about this time, he said BLPs goal was to show them to the world in 2018. He also claimed to have Product Hydrino® “in a bottle".
And think back to the start of this scam in the last century. Mills stated reasons for pursuing this was to finance his cure for cancer, heart disease, herpes, and several other diseases. He also had a separate claim of a cheap imaging device that would revolutionize early detection of a wide range of conditions.
If Mills' claims over the past decade are true then Mills' has allowed a lot of needless deaths by not cashing out. He shouldn't be wasting his time trying to do whatever it is that is holding him up. Let other people do that. His discovery of the hydrino alone wold be worth billions.
But only if it weren't a huge pack of lies.
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Reality Check
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markie fantasizes about a video of a cell blowing up yet again
Not really tough, markie. When a person promises something extraordinary for almost 30 years and fails several times to deliver it then they are either a fraud or deluded. Now we have probably yet another failure.
Some people here say fraud because Mills is getting money for his failures. I look at his ignorant, deluded and lying book and say deluded.
markie fantasizes about a video of a cell blowing up yet again!
Some basic science for you, markie.
A company propaganda video is not science.
What makes a power cell into a power cell is releasing more energy than it takes in. If Mills' SunCell releases X kW that does not mean anything if Mills powered it with >X kW.
Even if Mills has an actual power cell, this does not mean that it is economical, especially since it tends to blow up
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Even if Mills has a economical power cell, this does not mean that his hydrino delusion exists. It is more probable that chemical reaction(s) are causing the excess heat. Mills being a fraud or deluded or ignorant prevents him from finding those chemical reaction(s).
ETA: The idiocy of a video that is just a way to heat up a SunCell with a bank of capacitors! A small lie - the sphere with an unstated composition is red for about 10 seconds. Its temperature before then is unknown. Its temperature for the last 10 seconds is a guess.
Not really tough, markie. When a person promises something extraordinary for almost 30 years and fails several times to deliver it then they are either a fraud or deluded. Now we have probably yet another failure.
Some people here say fraud because Mills is getting money for his failures. I look at his ignorant, deluded and lying book and say deluded.
markie fantasizes about a video of a cell blowing up yet again!
Some basic science for you, markie.
A company propaganda video is not science.
What makes a power cell into a power cell is releasing more energy than it takes in. If Mills' SunCell releases X kW that does not mean anything if Mills powered it with >X kW.
Even if Mills has an actual power cell, this does not mean that it is economical, especially since it tends to blow up
!Even if Mills has a economical power cell, this does not mean that his hydrino delusion exists. It is more probable that chemical reaction(s) are causing the excess heat. Mills being a fraud or deluded or ignorant prevents him from finding those chemical reaction(s).
ETA: The idiocy of a video that is just a way to heat up a SunCell with a bank of capacitors! A small lie - the sphere with an unstated composition is red for about 10 seconds. Its temperature before then is unknown. Its temperature for the last 10 seconds is a guess.
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HappySkeptic99
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Videos like this serve only one purpose -- to keep the faithful in line, and maybe find a sucker for the next funding round.
Why did they need super-capacitors to provide the energy? Well, it is because they probably needed the 200KW that markie calculated (or something similar). Who knows what is in the gas, or how it reacts with what is in the chamber. The gas could be providing the extra energy OR the plasma created could have nothing to do with the energy. It could all be electrical, and the plasma is actually a way of moving energy to the surroundings quickly (energy transfer is a cooling for the electrodes).
I noticed a pressure gauge reading 35 or 40 PSI (and bouncing around a lot), right along the main input pipe. This could be quite a high rate of gas flow -- lots of fuel, if that is what they are using it for.
We also can't be sure that the video is running at real-time rate.
abaddon
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Entirely forgivable. The goal posts are rocket propelled at this point. The claim du jour will be different tomorrow.
Dave Rogers
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I think we can expect with some certainty that, on the 26th February, markie will claim that the prototype SunCell has been proven to work to his personal satisfaction, and that therefore he wins. That will then buy him another six months of referring back to his own declaration before pointing out that the object shown to be doing something six months previously was not in fact a prototype of a fully marketable device, and a considerable amount of additional engineering will be needed before a commercial release is likely. No doubt there will be some peripheral part of the technology that, although a solved engineering problem for a century or so, is slightly beyond the ability of BLP to adapt to their surprisingly unique requirements.
tl;dr version: Rinse and repeat.
Dave
What's the power input?
Why are you still assuming the video starts with the apparatus at room temperature, when the thing is already running at the start of the video?
Given that the arc is high current at low voltage, what do you think the capacitors are for?
Dr.Sid
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Imho it's completely fake. It's all just theater. There are no capacitors. That's expensive. Dangerous. All you want is video of red glow ball. Burner will do it. If there is any electricity, it's electricity for igniting the burner.
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Well in the case of Mills and his fanboys, it's keeping a fraud going.
Wow... More nonsensical crap.
Og good grief, you have absolutely no idea, do you?
I believe answering that would breach the MA...
You have no idea about science do you?
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jrhowell
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He was asked at the time for the criteria for a working device and he stated:
So far even Mills isn't claiming to have that.
(Though of course markie could claim that the capacitors are only charged from the grid ahead of time and are not connected at the time the device is briefly running.)
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jrhowell
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An idea occurred to me of where Mills might be going next.
Mills has been careful with his claims, staying just barely within the realm of plausibly mistaken results. I had been thinking that he would never claim to have a self-runner because that would eventually be shown to be trickery of some sort.
But what if he claimed to have a working self-running prototype, but with just one minor flaw: leakage causing it to consume hydrogen at a higher rate than expected. He could explain it away as a minor engineering problem that could be solved with just a bit more funding. That could work as long as he is careful not to disclose exactly how much extra hydrogen it actually takes to keep the device running.
Mills has been careful with his claims, staying just barely within the realm of plausibly mistaken results. I had been thinking that he would never claim to have a self-runner because that would eventually be shown to be trickery of some sort.
But what if he claimed to have a working self-running prototype, but with just one minor flaw: leakage causing it to consume hydrogen at a higher rate than expected. He could explain it away as a minor engineering problem that could be solved with just a bit more funding. That could work as long as he is careful not to disclose exactly how much extra hydrogen it actually takes to keep the device running.
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