Mueller Investigation pt4

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Dr. Keith said:
I don't think making up a CT about Mueller's team leaking to CNN actually has anything to do with the "actual circumstances of the actual arrest."

It's a dog and pony show, at best. Even then, it lacks a pony.
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Actually going in with guns drawn to arrest a pensioner was the grift and pony show. CNN has “exclusive video.”

But you got a canine jab in. Because my forum handle is The Big Dog.

“Clever.”
 
The Great Zaganza said:
It's a stupid theory, because it is irrelevant either way. A judge won't spare Stone just because someone in the loop leaked what was happening.
This is nothing but gaslighting.
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Well it might be irrelevant to Stone but it tells everything you need to know about the fake news media and Mueller’s team.
 
The Big Dog said:
Actually going in with guns drawn to arrest a pensioner was the grift and pony show.
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Unlike the time when they went to arrest Blagojevich, when all they did was send in several team members with SWAT training, a hostage negotiator, and multiple other FBI agents, planning out agent positions, all to arrest a non-violent offender with family in the house and no security.

Yup... certainly does sound like they treated Stone way different. Well, except that they didn't. Sounds like they treated him the way they have done other arrests.

But hey, look! Squirrel!
 
Driving through eastern WA fm wasteland today, switched to am, and whaddya know, there's Limbaugh squealing like a stuck pig, plying some of the same fact-challenged CTs we see in this thread, shocking. Mueller and the angry dems, CNN collusion, covering for Hillary and Obama, etc.

A caller was fawning over Limbaugh, then the best part. Limbaugh laments that he's losing the public opinion war due to fake news. Alone in my truck, I lol'ed.
 
Segnosaur said:
Unlike the time when they went to arrest Blagojevich, when all they did was send in several team members with SWAT training, a hostage negotiator, and multiple other FBI agents, planning out agent positions, all to arrest a non-violent offender with family in the house and no security.

Yup... certainly does sound like they treated Stone way different. Well, except that they didn't. Sounds like they treated him the way they have done other arrests.

But hey, look! Squirrel!
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Guns drawn, nope.

Fake news media on site? Nope

Clever squirrel joke? Yep!
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
In Bellevue I've seen the FBI gather up some Bellevue police when preparing to serve an arrest warrant on a downtown apt. (Drugs or trafficking, can't recall who they were arresting.)

It is SOP when the FBI makes some arrests. As for asking Stone to turn himself in, then they couldn't serve a surprise search warrant.

This ginned up outrage is a distraction.
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I can't say for sure because the video was dark. But most of those uniforms looked like they were local Police or Sheriff's. I did see a couple of FBI windbreakers. But only a couple. But given that they were also going to conduct a search, there likely were more agents.
 
Big news is that Stone apparently tried to convince some witnesses to "pull a Frankie Petangelli" (Stone's own words)..ie reverse themselves on the stand. I note that the news networks are all showing that scene from Godfather part 2....
The shocking thing is not that people like Roger Stone exist, but that a POTUS openly embraced him. Most politicians when they employ the likes of Stone, keep it as quiet as possible...the old You Employ the Hangman to do your dirty work, but you don't invite him to dinner,...but not Donnie.
 
dudalb said:
Big news is that Stone apparently tried to convince some witnesses to "pull a Frankie Petangelli" (Stone's own words)..ie reverse themselves on the stand. I note that the news networks are all showing that scene from Godfather part 2....
The shocking thing is not that people like Roger Stone exist, but that a POTUS openly embraced him. Most politicians when they employ the likes of Stone, keep it as quiet as possible...the old You Employ the Hangman to do your dirty work, but you don't invite him to dinner,...but not Donnie.
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Trump on why he hires so many criminals

Reminds me of an old onion article

Look, I'm not a hateful person or anything–I believe we should all live and let live. But lately, I've been having a real problem with these homosexuals. You see, just about wherever I go these days, one of them approaches me and starts sucking my.....
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The Big Dog said:
Actually going in with guns drawn to arrest a pensioner was the grift and pony show. CNN has “exclusive video.”

But you got a canine jab in. Because my forum handle is The Big Dog.

“Clever.”
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Things that The Big Dog has yet to fetch:

1. Evidence that CNN was tipped off by anyone inside;

2. Evidence that CNN can't keep their story straight on how they got their video;

3. Evidence that said canine is actually clever.​

We are amused. So, so amused.
 
The Big Dog said:
Your fallacy is tu quoque.

Let me tell you a tale of a time when the JREF forum was considered a center of critical thinking, and where people would not permit their political prejudices to get in the way of calling out their fellow travelers who perpetrated fallacious arguments such as this one. That forum is dead in many more ways than one.

Sad.
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Calling out another person's hypocrisy isn't necessarily a tu quoque.
 
acbytesla said:
I can't say for sure because the video was dark. But most of those uniforms looked like they were local Police or Sheriff's. I did see a couple of FBI windbreakers. But only a couple. But given that they were also going to conduct a search, there likely were more agents.
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When I watched this interesting spectacle they were done and unloading in a big group in the city hall/police dept parking area and I was arriving to do some work. Lots of them, but not all had FBI in the backs of their jackets. They all had rifles with bullet clips, all had bullet proof vests, and they had the usual 40 pounds of whatever else hanging from their vests and belts. IOW they looked similarly armed. It was obviously a joint effort.
 
Hevneren said:
Calling out another person's hypocrisy isn't necessarily a tu quoque.
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You mean sometimes it is not a fallacy I presume?

Sure sometimes it is just a blatant attempt to insult someone and to derail the discussion, but I think you find that I am a charitable sort and at least assume that they are trying to make an argument.

I’m one of the good guys ya see.
 
The Big Dog said:
You mean sometimes it is not a fallacy I presume?

Sure sometimes it is just a blatant attempt to insult someone and to derail the discussion, but I think you find that I am a charitable sort and at least assume that they are trying to make an argument.

I’m one of the good guys ya see.
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I remember when posters like 16.5 used to tear apart CTist who couldn't back up their flimsy theories. Back when the ISF was a skeptics site. I miss that guy. He was a good guy, too.
 
Dr. Keith said:
I remember when posters like 16.5 used to tear apart CTist who couldn't back up their flimsy theories. Back when the ISF was a skeptics site. I miss that guy. He was a good guy, too.
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I remember when people did not obsess about me, using “clever” ways to try to mock other posters using their forum names, going so far as to dig up their old forum names, etc.

We get it, the white flag has been waved, not sure why they don’t get the hint to depart the field in shame.

Oh well, shame.
 
This is your friendly reminder that the only reason TBD is taking this line of argument is because that's what Donald Trump tweeted. He won't drop it, because to do so would be to acknowledge that Trump was just making stuff up.

If Donald Trump had instead tweeted that Mueller can't arrest Stone because Romulans have no jurisdiction in Federation space, then that's the argument we'd be having right now.
 
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