New SCOTUS Judge

[smartcooky]

Another allegation brought to the Senate's attention:

Linky.

Another courageous women emboldened to tell her story of Preppie Kavanagh's behaviour.

This is looking more and more like the Cosby/Harris saga. If enough of these women get together they could make an official complaint, and regardless of whether the OWM at GOP pass his nomination, his career could end up over on the end of a bunch of criminal convictions.

That is what happened to Cosby and Harris; no forensic evidence, no crime scene, but they were convicted on the sheer weight of testimony from multiple victims & witnesses about allegations that went back further than the 30 years being claimed about Kavanaugh.

We now have four women victims and potentially a dozen or more witnesses. This does no look good for Kavanaugh or the GOP.

 

[AnonyMoose]

Fourth accuser claims Kav assaulted a woman outside a bar in 1998:


Kav would have been a young lawyer at the time.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/su...legation-misconduct-against-kavanaugh-n913581

Sounds to me like Kavanaugh had a big drinking problem back in the day.

But then he found jesus, voted republican, married a wonderful christian girl.... and is now an upstanding (believe me), wonderful (the best), and the most moral man ever (the greatest) to bless the judge's bench in all of US history.

Hallelujah. Praise jesus.

 

[Bob001]

No it didn't.

Do you not see the difference between what happened in your apartment complex and what the new complainant has alleged?

The new -- now just the third -- complainant might well be lying or deluded. But why would you insist that what she describes is not even possible? What's your basis for that?

 

[Bob001]

Sounds to me like Kavanaugh had a big drinking problem back in the day.
....

All the more reason to obtain his medical and psychiatric records. If he quietly went off to rehab between his stints as a Repub operative, there would be documentation.

 

[phiwum]

Fascinating.

Her story is quite credible on the surface, and has some interesting corroborative details. Unfortunately, I still do not believe it could have happened as it was reported by her.

The problem with the story is that there were a total of five people in the house, other than herself. It's easy to see why Kavanaugh and Judge would deny it, so we'll ignore them.

However, there were three others. (Leland Ingham, PJ Smyth, and one other unnamed) Let us assume, for the sake of argument, that the story is true. Now, we have a girl disappearing to go to the bathroom. She is gone a long time, and her two assailants head down the stairs to rejoin the other 3 partiers. Instead of rejoining the party herself, she runs downstairs and out of the house.


That would be memorable. One of the three would remember the event. Instead, Leland Ingham says she has no recollection of the event, and does not ever remember being at a party with Kavanaugh. The third person is unnamed. Presumably, he lived in the house. We can't contact him, but that's actually a mark against Ms. Ford. The details of the party are recognizable enough. If the party happened, he knows who he is. So now we are to believe that three people attended the party. One of them brought Ford with them. Ford disappeared during the party, and no one remembers?


Not buying it.


That doesn't mean Ford is lying, but it could easily mean that her memories of events are conflated. Perhaps the assault occurred, but not at the party she remembers. At a different party. If that's true, it still leaves us with no evidence beyond her own testimony, and in a situation where there ought to be more evidence. At least the information revealed today strongly supports her story that she has been talking about Kavanaugh, specifically, since 2012. That's a pretty big deal.

I'm not at all convinced that I would remember that a few decades later. People get emotional at beer parties in high school, they do flaky things. If one person left quickly and without goodbyes, it might have made some impression on me at the time, but nothing I would recall decades later, I suspect.

 

[smartcooky]

All the more reason to obtain his medical and psychiatric records. If he quietly went off to rehab between his stints as a Repub operative, there would be documentation.

Probably among those thousands of pages of documents on Kavanaugh that TWH refuses to release.

 

[Meadmaker]

The new -- now just the third -- complainant might well be lying or deluded. But why would you insist that what she describes is not even possible? What's your basis for that?

The fact that it happened multiple times in full view of non-participating witnesses, and was never reported. Note: The actual assault was not witnessed. The alleged assailants waited in a line outside the door, but a whole bunch of male and female high school students were there, knew what was happening, it happened multiple times, and no one said anything.

No.

 

[Babbylonian]

Sounds to me like Kavanaugh had a big drinking problem back in the day.

But then he found jesus, voted republican, married a wonderful christian girl.... and is now an upstanding (believe me), wonderful (the best), and the most moral man ever (the greatest) to bless the judge's bench in all of US history.

Hallelujah. Praise jesus.

I've said it many times before: Character witnesses are completely useless and should always be ignored.

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

Fascinating.

Her story is quite credible on the surface, and has some interesting corroborative details. Unfortunately, I still do not believe it could have happened as it was reported by her.

The problem with the story is that there were a total of five people in the house, other than herself. It's easy to see why Kavanaugh and Judge would deny it, so we'll ignore them.

However, there were three others. (Leland Ingham, PJ Smyth, and one other unnamed) Let us assume, for the sake of argument, that the story is true. Now, we have a girl disappearing to go to the bathroom. She is gone a long time, and her two assailants head down the stairs to rejoin the other 3 partiers. Instead of rejoining the party herself, she runs downstairs and out of the house.


That would be memorable. One of the three would remember the event. Instead, Leland Ingham says she has no recollection of the event, and does not ever remember being at a party with Kavanaugh. The third person is unnamed. Presumably, he lived in the house. We can't contact him, but that's actually a mark against Ms. Ford. The details of the party are recognizable enough. If the party happened, he knows who he is. So now we are to believe that three people attended the party. One of them brought Ford with them. Ford disappeared during the party, and no one remembers?


Not buying it.


That doesn't mean Ford is lying, but it could easily mean that her memories of events are conflated. Perhaps the assault occurred, but not at the party she remembers. At a different party. If that's true, it still leaves us with no evidence beyond her own testimony, and in a situation where there ought to be more evidence. At least the information revealed today strongly supports her story that she has been talking about Kavanaugh, specifically, since 2012. That's a pretty big deal.

I find your method of speculating further than the actual testimony or evidence, then finding your speculative scenario unbelievable based on the absence of other testimony and evidence, to then reject the testimony to be rather... unpersuasive.

 

[Meadmaker]

I'm not at all convinced that I would remember that a few decades later. People get emotional at beer parties in high school, they do flaky things. If one person left quickly and without goodbyes, it might have made some impression on me at the time, but nothing I would recall decades later, I suspect.

There were only six people in the house, and one of them would have been wondering what happened to the girl he drove to the party. It's not like there were huge numbers of people coming and going, where one wouldn't be noticed.

I think most people would remember, and one out of three would certainly remember.

 

[AnonyMoose]

I've said it many times before: Character witnesses are completely useless and should always be ignored.

Yup.

Character witnesses are a total waist of time. Nobody knows anyone, truly deeply.

People live next door to serial killers, pedos, rapists, kidnappers, abusers, etc etc for years and never know it.

"He was always such a quiet polite young man, kept to himself, never bothered anyone. I'm shocked that he had 3 young girls locked in his basement all these years!"

 

[varwoche]

There were only six people in the house, and one of them would have been wondering what happened to the girl he drove to the party. It's not like there were huge numbers of people coming and going, where one wouldn't be noticed.

I think most people would remember, and one out of three would certainly remember.

"Certainly"? That's flat out ridiculous. This episode would be easily forgettable trivia in the mind of an impaired non-victim.

 

[Craig4]

Like seeks like. Trump nominated someone like himself. Kavanaugh is a Montgomery County rich kid point whore who abused women. He's just like Trump. He was born to rule like all Montgomery rich kid point whores are. So what if his nomination is torpedoed? Isn't it better to get someone who wasn't groomed for greatness at the expense of women?

He'll be better off if he's dropped as the nominee. You all saw what happened to Ted Cruz and he hasn't even voted. Ted Cruz and his wife trying to get seated at a restaurant. That's his life FOREVER. Just let him go back to being a DC district judge. It would be a kindness really.

 

[theprestige]

There were only six people in the house, and one of them would have been wondering what happened to the girl he drove to the party. It's not like there were huge numbers of people coming and going, where one wouldn't be noticed.

I think most people would remember, and one out of three would certainly remember.

Especially if the story of that party were "all over the school", as has been claimed.

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

Outside of the allegations, Merkley's lawsuit to prevent a vote is focused on the White House withholding documents. It's unprecedented and won't succeed, but it would be interesting to see the results of nonetheless. Democrats also have the opportunity for a speaking filibuster, for at least a short time, as Merkely did with Gorsuch. Obviously, that won't prevent anything either.

 

[Stacyhs]

I don't think it matters. Her story is impossible, imo.

It will turn out to be made up, I believe.

But I have no problem with investigations of any sort, because I believe they will favor Kavanaugh.

How you investigate these claims, I really don't know, though.
I can't see how you'd ever tell what the truth was at this point in time.

We now have four women who have come forward to make these claims about Kavanaugh. How many more women coming forward will it take to convince you that there is ANY truth to these claims. Ten? Twenty? Fifty? A hundred?

This reminds me of Trump and the 19 (?) women who came forward with stories of his sexual assaults, etc. Add that to Trump's own words regarding how he just sees a beautiful woman and has to kiss her and how he can grab 'em by the ***** because, being a celebrity, he can get away with anything. Add to that Stormy Daniels' story which has pretty much been proved as being true. Then we have Trump's total denial of it all and claims that they're all lying. I guess all these women just aren't credible because they didn't report it when it happened to the police or FBI.

I wonder if LTC8K6 believes Trump over all these women?

 

[The Big Dog]

Outside of the allegations, Merkley's lawsuit to prevent a vote is focused on the White House withholding documents. It's unprecedented and won't succeed, but it would be interesting to see the results of nonetheless. Democrats also have the opportunity for a speaking filibuster, for at least a short time, as Merkely did with Gorsuch. Obviously, that won't prevent anything either.

It is spectacularly frivolous and shows the depths of the depravity of the Never Kavanaughs.

Really really pathetic.

 

[Babbylonian]

I wonder if LTC8K6 believes Trump over all these women?

Women are not to be believed unless they come to a police station literally covered in evidence, and even then they were probably asking for it, and even if they weren't asking for it then [Republican] boys will be boys.

 

[Stacyhs]

The same number of stories, claims, and "corroborations" that I need to accept bigfoot.

Was bigfoot recorded on tape with a witness admitting how he can grab women by the *****, kiss them, and do basically whatever he wants because he's a celebrity?

 

[smartcooky]

I find your method of speculating further than the actual testimony or evidence, then finding your speculative scenario unbelievable based on the absence of other testimony and evidence, to then reject the testimony to be rather... unpersuasive.

What I also find unpersuasive is flat out denial of what is common knowledge.

The described scene...."assailants waited in a line outside the door, but a whole bunch of male and female high school students were there, knew what was happening, it happened multiple times, and no one said anything" is something that is known to have happened on multiple college campuses throughout the USA, indeed, the world.