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TheL8Elvis said:
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news...rett-kavanaughs-college-years-deborah-ramirez

After seeing Judge’s denial, Elizabeth Rasor, who met Judge at Catholic University and was in a relationship with him for about three years, said that she felt morally obligated to challenge his account that “ ‘no horseplay’ took place at Georgetown Prep with women.” Rasor stressed that “under normal circumstances, I wouldn’t reveal information that was told in confidence,” but, she said, “I can’t stand by and watch him lie.” In an interview with The New Yorker, she said, “Mark told me a very different story.” Rasor recalled that Judge had told her ashamedly of an incident that involved him and other boys taking turns having sex with a drunk woman. Rasor said that Judge seemed to regard it as fully consensual. She said that Judge did not name others involved in the incident, and she has no knowledge that Kavanaugh participated. But Rasor was disturbed by the story and noted that it undercut Judge’s protestations about the sexual innocence of Georgetown Prep.

But yeah, it's all a made up smear campaign. :rolleyes:



I wonder why Kavanaugh and his attorney don't support an investigation ?

I wonder why the senate doesn't support a short delay for an investigation ?
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I don't wonder at all.

I guess when someone reports these things to the police departments with jurisdiction, they'll get investigated, whether the Senate wants an investigation or not.
 
Segnosaur said:
But the Republicans (as well as some of the Kavanaugh and Trump apologists on this forum) do seem to have a problem with it.

Then you have the question... why isn't Kavanaugh asking for an investigation. If he is truly innocent, if an investigation would favor him, he should be front and center demanding the FBI get in there and clear his name.

The fact that he isn't asking for the FBI to do so (yet at least one victim, Ford, has asked for an investigation) gives a little more credibility to her than him.

Well, for one you get the FBI to interview people. Those in the same social circles as Kavanaugh back in high school/college. Parents. Maybe even police or campus security who may have heard about "wild parties" even if nothing resulted in charges being laid.

Right now, we have a lot of people coming forward to support both sides... "I knew Kavanaugh and he would never do such a thing"/"I saw Kavanaugh kick a puppy dog". But for the most part, the people making the statements are self-selecting (i.e. people who may feel strongly about Kavanaugh for some reason), and/or may be compromised (e.g. people lying because they too were involved.) Get the FBI to interview not only the people who have already stated a position about Kavanaugh (those people may change their statement if they are talking to the FBI, as opposed to someone in the media), but also people who may have been in the same social circles but who HAVEN'T spoken out yet.

Again, its not a court of law. Its not some sort of scientific hypothesis to test. Its a job interview. It would be great if we had some sort of hard-core video proof, but in this situation, the preponderance of evidence should suffice.
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So the FBI will get the same sorts of statements we've already heard?

Brett's an angel.

No, Brett's a devil.

Okay.

Edit: Sorts
 
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LTC8K6 said:
I don't think it matters. Her story is impossible, imo.

It will turn out to be made up, I believe.
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We now have four women who have come forward to make these claims about Kavanaugh. How many more women coming forward will it take to convince you that there is ANY truth to these claims. Ten? Twenty? Fifty? A hundred?
 
TheL8Elvis said:
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news...rett-kavanaughs-college-years-deborah-ramirez

After seeing Judge’s denial, Elizabeth Rasor, who met Judge at Catholic University and was in a relationship with him for about three years, said that she felt morally obligated to challenge his account that “ ‘no horseplay’ took place at Georgetown Prep with women.” Rasor stressed that “under normal circumstances, I wouldn’t reveal information that was told in confidence,” but, she said, “I can’t stand by and watch him lie.” In an interview with The New Yorker, she said, “Mark told me a very different story.” Rasor recalled that Judge had told her ashamedly of an incident that involved him and other boys taking turns having sex with a drunk woman. Rasor said that Judge seemed to regard it as fully consensual. She said that Judge did not name others involved in the incident, and she has no knowledge that Kavanaugh participated. But Rasor was disturbed by the story and noted that it undercut Judge’s protestations about the sexual innocence of Georgetown Prep.
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I'd like to know who - outside of prostitutes, particularly hedonistic swingers, and characters in lurid fiction - consents to having multiple teenage boys take turns having sex with them.


In other words, if this happened, it was almost certainly done to a girl/woman who didn't properly consent.
 
LTC8K6 said:
So the FBI will get the same statements we've already heard?
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Uhhh.. no. Did you actually read what I wrote?

They will probably get at least a few different statements, because:

- They will be talking to people who haven't yet spoken out. This gets around the whole 'self selection' principle

- For the people who have made prior statements (to the media, etc.), you will probably get people changing their claims, because 1) the FBI will control the questioning (rather than people who may have ulterior motives) so the questions will be less self-serving, 2) The FBI has certain legal authority that may keep people from lying. (Saying something false to the press=no punishment, saying something false to the FBI=possible legal problems)

So no, they probably won't just get the "same statements we've already heard".
 
Babbylonian said:
I'd like to know who - outside of prostitutes, particularly hedonistic swingers, and characters in lurid fiction - consents to having multiple teenage boys take turns having sex with them.


In other words, if this happened, it was almost certainly done to a girl/woman who didn't properly consent.
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Yes, it is a description of many multiples of horrible crimes in several ways, committed on a weekly basis.
 
Segnosaur said:
Uhhh.. no. Did you actually read what I wrote?

They will probably get at least a few different statements, because:

- They will be talking to people who haven't yet spoken out. This gets around the whole 'self selection' principle

- For the people who have made prior statements (to the media, etc.), you will probably get people changing their claims, because 1) the FBI will control the questioning (rather than people who may have ulterior motives) so the questions will be less self-serving, 2) The FBI has certain legal authority that may keep people from lying. (Saying something false to the press=no punishment, saying something false to the FBI=possible legal problems)

So no, they probably won't just get the "same statements we've already heard".
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See my edit.

Hard to believe anyone that remembers hasn't come forward, imo.
 
smartcooky said:
We now have four women who have come forward to make these claims about Kavanaugh. How many more women coming forward will it take to convince you that there is ANY truth to these claims. Ten? Twenty? Fifty? A hundred?
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It's trap paradox.

If one woman comes forward, there's no corroboration. If a thousand come forward... well then what are the odds all those women just up and decided to come forward? It's a trap, a traps I tells ya!
 
River said:
The accuser had 35 years to come out, and several FBI investigations previous on Kanavaugh . This is not the first position he's been up for. It is however highly disputed politically, and those involved behind the scenes seem to be politically motivated.
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If she had come forward in, say 2006, wouldn't people just say "she's had 24 YEARS to come out, and it's obviously politically motivated, yada, yada"? Why yes, yes they would.

How about when he was applying to Yale Law school in 1987? "She's had 5 YEARS! 5 YEARS mind you!!! Obviously a scorned woman or some such crap!" Yeah, yeah. The fact is that there was no time she could come forward and not be slammed for one reason or another. That's how it works.
 
JoeMorgue said:
It's trap paradox.

If one woman comes forward, there's no corroboration. If a thousand come forward... well then what are the odds all those women just up and decided to come forward? It's a trap, a traps I tells ya!
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Nah, they are just jumping on the bandwagon.
 
sylvan8798 said:
If she had come forward in, say 2006, wouldn't people just say "she's had 24 YEARS to come out, and it's obviously politically motivated, yada, yada"? Why yes, yes they would.

How about when he was applying to Yale Law school in 1987? "She's had 5 YEARS! 5 YEARS mind you!!! Obviously a scorned woman or some such crap!" Yeah, yeah. The fact is that there was no time she could come forward and not be slammed for one reason or another. That's how it works.
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Take it all the way. If she'd waited a week, some would consider it an indictment of her credibility - even more so back then.
 
Babbylonian said:
I'd like to know who - outside of prostitutes, particularly hedonistic swingers, and characters in lurid fiction - consents to having multiple teenage boys take turns having sex with them.


In other words, if this happened, it was almost certainly done to a girl/woman who didn't properly consent.
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In other words, her story is lurid fiction.
 
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