New SCOTUS Judge

[The Big Dog]

Well, only an idiot like Avenatti would fall for something like that. Hook, line, and sinker. What a rube, rushing to get in on it before taking the time to consider whether it is really legit.

oh no, plenty of rubes out there, Thirsty is just the most rubenesqe!

 

[beren]

I don't understand this method of yours, we are on a fact finding thread, and you appear to be withholding facts.

What did she say? I heard her point out that there was nothing ridiculous about having a woman only board, because it had been a man only board for a very long time, but I am not going to die in a ditch about this. I find it a point to discuss with intense relevance to this deplorable situation. Apart from a few quasi celebrities like Mary Tourneau, women seem to be relatively unscathed by suggestions of grabbing male parts.

Excuse me.

YOU made a specific claim about a specific thing she said.
I asked you to prove it.

Still waiting . . .

 

[carlitos]

Thanks. In general, if a poster uses silly nicknames, I skip past their posts since they are basically telling me that they don’t want to be taken seriously.

 

[Dr. Keith]

oh no, plenty of rubes out there, Thirsty is just the most rubenesqe!

Out there, in here.

I trust 4chan to fish them out, though.

 

[The Big Dog]

Thanks. In general, if a poster uses silly nicknames, I skip past their posts since they are basically telling me that they don’t want to be taken seriously.

Hmm, how about if the Nickname is rock ******* solid, like referring to over the top attention whore Michael Avenatti as "thirsty."

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

Collins allegedly seems to have taken the third allegation seriously:

The sworn statement, Collins told the senators, brought the allegations to a new level and raised concerns that enough wasn't being done to address their veracity. Pointing to the affidavit, which she had printed out, Collins said given the weight of the allegations, it made sense to subpoena Kavanaugh's friend Mark Judge -- an alleged witness to the incidents — and bring him in for testimony.

Multiple senators in the room attempted to reassure Collins that the process in place -- with the Judiciary Committee investigators and staff looking into the multiple allegations, gathering evidence and attempting to interview all involved -- was the most efficient way to handle what had been brought to the forefront.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell told Collins that the committee staff had begun to reach out to the third accuser, while Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn and others suggested bringing in Judge would do little to shed light on the situation.

Senate Intelligence Chairman Richard Burr, a North Carolina Republican, even brought up his own experience running the Russia probe: He said issuing subpoenas to witnesses could take weeks -- if not months -- and often are not successful. It is unclear how Collins took those comments, and her spokeswoman could not be reached for comment.

Linky.

But again, no actual threatening of withholding a vote.

Flake made a speech about how he didn't like the process and how "both sides" had already made up their mind. But like Murkowski, he ended up just endorsing the current Republican plan of creating a "he said, she said" hearing and then voting after that.

In favor of the third accusation, it does seem to match what Judge's ex said he confessed to, and it did mention "beach week" which appears on Kavanaugh's calendar. And it does claim to have further witnesses. And it does carry the threat of perjury. And one would think Avenatti would vet and gather witnesses before making such a big move. Given all that, I think at least finding more information is warranted, even if the claims seem too incredible. Though most of the GOP seems to feel they can safely dismiss it as coming from Avenatti.

Here's Ford's opening statement. It looks like Thursday is still going to happen as of now.

 

[The Big Dog]

Ok... I am not saying it is true yet, but people on 4chan are bragging about hoaxing Avenatti...

which.... hee hee!

Basta baby!

Out there, in here.

I trust 4chan to fish them out, though.

Oh you.. I will freely admit that I fervently wished it to be true, but even I said it might not be true as indicated above.

The story as reported, might have been better for him had it been a 4chan hoax...

 

[Meadmaker]

Well, only an idiot like Avenatti would fall for something like that. Hook, line, and sinker. What a rube, rushing to get in on it before taking the time to consider whether it is really legit.

I have to wonder what he's thinking.

The allegations are hogwash. Nothing like it has ever happened, ever. Does he really believe her, or is he playing some other game?


In my opinion, it was a huge gift to the GOP. Today, new information was revealed that really upped Christine Blasey Ford's credibility, but all the attention was on the salacious new charges. All the right wing radio yappers were parroting the same line of variations on "look how ridiculous this has gotten", and it ensured that the first two allegations, which could not be easily dismissed, would be lumped in with the new allegation, which is total nonsense.

 

[Babbylonian]

I have to wonder what he's thinking.
The allegations are hogwash. Nothing like it has ever happened, ever. Does he really believe her, or is he playing some other game?

Gang rapes never happen? Ever? How have you come to such certainty?

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

Another allegation brought to the Senate's attention:

—The Senate Judiciary Committee is inquiring about at least one additional allegation of misconduct against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, according to a letter obtained by NBC News and multiple people familiar with the process.

...

According to an anonymous complaint sent to Republican Sen. Cory Gardner of Colorado, Kavanaugh physically assaulted a woman he socialized with in the Washington, D.C. area in 1998 while he was inebriated.

The sender of the complaint described an evening involving her own daughter, Kavanaugh and several friends in 1998.

“When they left the bar (under the influence of alcohol) they were all shocked when Brett Kavanaugh, shoved her friend up against the wall very aggressively and sexually.”

“There were at least four witnesses including my daughter.” The writer of the letter provided no names but said the alleged victim was still traumatized and had decide to remain anonymous herself.

A Democratic source said the minority wasn’t satisfied by the Republicans’ questions about the incident during the call, calling them cursory, and believed it should be investigated more deeply.

Linky.

 

[Dr. Keith]

I have to wonder what he's thinking.

The allegations are hogwash. Nothing like it has ever happened, ever. Does he really believe her, or is he playing some other game?

I feel like you have a very limited view of the world. I have never been at a party where this has happened but it happened at a party in my apartment complex in college. I only found out after the girl reported it to the police and we had a lot of cops on the grounds. The guys involved were bragging about it. But, nobody left the complex, so I assume the cops felt it was a he said/she said, boys will be boys sort of thing.

That is why such things happened and why they were not reported.

 

[Bob001]

I have to wonder what he's thinking.

The allegations are hogwash. Nothing like it has ever happened, ever. .....

Do you really mean that? Or are you referring specifically to what you think Kav and his preppie buddies might have been capable of?

I note in passing that rapists rarely, if ever, call what they do "rape." It's always "I know she wanted it," or "Dressed like that, what did she expect?," or "She said no, but she didn't mean it," etc., etc., etc. If this was routine drunken party behavior, chances are they weren't calling it rape.

 

[smartcooky]

.... even if the claims seem too incredible.

You consider the idea that a bunch of self-entitled, frat-boys would be involved in gang raping a drunk or drugged female student "incredible"? Really?

I promise you, its not as "incredible" as you imagine; its not even unusual...

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1983/3/23/student-accuses-u-of-penn-frat/

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/02/johns-hopkins-rape-investigation-clery_n_5917828.html

https://www.nj.com/bergen/index.ssf...ls_horrifying_frat_house_gang_rape_claim.html

https://metro.co.uk/2018/04/25/students-shouted-turn-turn-gang-raped-drunk-girl-party-7496885/

Its just that participants in this kind of criminality do not often go on to become high court judges and politicians.

 

[crescent]

I have to wonder what he's thinking.

The allegations are hogwash. Nothing like it has ever happened, ever. Does he really believe her, or is he playing some other game?.

'The stories of our lives': Prep school alumni hear echoes in assault claim

Lanyi's recollection of a private school culture suffused by alcohol and drugs - and frequent if unreported sexual assault or misbehavior - is widely shared by students who attended those schools in the 1980s. It was, they recalled, an era marked by excess and illegality that went widely unchecked by parents and school leaders who were unaware or uninterested in cracking down on the behavior.

On Tuesday, Lanyi helped launch an online letter of support for Ford from women and men who grew up in the upper Northwest Washington neighborhoods and Maryland suburbs that fed into the exclusive private schools and country clubs during the same era that Ford and Kavanaugh attended their schools.

The letter's message to Ford is unambiguous: "We believe you. Each one of us heard your story and not one of us was surprised. These are the stories of our lives and our friends' lives."

Today, new information was revealed that really upped Christine Blasey Ford's credibility, but all the attention was on the salacious new charges.

I have not seen that - can you provide a link?

 

[Bob001]

Fourth accuser claims Kav assaulted a woman outside a bar in 1998:

According to an anonymous complaint sent to Republican Sen. Cory Gardner of Colorado, Kavanaugh physically assaulted a woman he socialized with in the Washington, D.C., area in 1998 while he was inebriated.

The sender of the complaint described an evening involving her own daughter, Kavanaugh and several friends in 1998.

“When they left the bar (under the influence of alcohol) they were all shocked when Brett Kavanaugh, shoved her friend up against the wall very aggressively and sexually.”

Kav would have been a young lawyer at the time.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/su...legation-misconduct-against-kavanaugh-n913581

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

You consider the idea that a bunch of self-entitled, frat-boys would be involved in gang raping a drunk or drugged female student "incredible"? Really?

I promise you, its not as "incredible" as you imagine; its not even unusual...

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1983/3/23/student-accuses-u-of-penn-frat/

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/02/johns-hopkins-rape-investigation-clery_n_5917828.html

https://www.nj.com/bergen/index.ssf...ls_horrifying_frat_house_gang_rape_claim.html

https://metro.co.uk/2018/04/25/students-shouted-turn-turn-gang-raped-drunk-girl-party-7496885/

Its just that participants in this kind of criminality do not often go on to become high court judges and politicians.

Phrased poorly. I was meaning to respond to others who are incredulous. But thanks for giving examples.

 

[Meadmaker]

Here's Ford's opening statement. It looks like Thursday is still going to happen as of now.

Fascinating.

Her story is quite credible on the surface, and has some interesting corroborative details. Unfortunately, I still do not believe it could have happened as it was reported by her.

The problem with the story is that there were a total of five people in the house, other than herself. It's easy to see why Kavanaugh and Judge would deny it, so we'll ignore them.

However, there were three others. (Leland Ingham, PJ Smyth, and one other unnamed) Let us assume, for the sake of argument, that the story is true. Now, we have a girl disappearing to go to the bathroom. She is gone a long time, and her two assailants head down the stairs to rejoin the other 3 partiers. Instead of rejoining the party herself, she runs downstairs and out of the house.


That would be memorable. One of the three would remember the event. Instead, Leland Ingham says she has no recollection of the event, and does not ever remember being at a party with Kavanaugh. The third person is unnamed. Presumably, he lived in the house. We can't contact him, but that's actually a mark against Ms. Ford. The details of the party are recognizable enough. If the party happened, he knows who he is. So now we are to believe that three people attended the party. One of them brought Ford with them. Ford disappeared during the party, and no one remembers?


Not buying it.


That doesn't mean Ford is lying, but it could easily mean that her memories of events are conflated. Perhaps the assault occurred, but not at the party she remembers. At a different party. If that's true, it still leaves us with no evidence beyond her own testimony, and in a situation where there ought to be more evidence. At least the information revealed today strongly supports her story that she has been talking about Kavanaugh, specifically, since 2012. That's a pretty big deal.

 

[Minoosh]

I'd like to know who - outside of prostitutes, particularly hedonistic swingers, and characters in lurid fiction - consents to having multiple teenage boys take turns having sex with them.

I knew a girl like that in HS. She described a party with her in the back of a truck with a camper shell where boys were waiting for turns. She decided one guy was in love with her because when his "turn" was over he didn't want to let any other boys in.

She could have been lying, but I doubt it. There are girls like that. I don't think they're doing it for sexual pleasure, more out of a desire to be liked - accepted - maybe a desperate need for affection.

 

[Babbylonian]

Fascinating.

Her story is quite credible on the surface, and has some interesting corroborative details. Unfortunately, I still do not believe it could have happened as it was reported by her.

"I'm going to once again try to convince people that I'm fair and even-handed, while simultaneously using already discredited tactics to reinforce the point of the view of the side for which I so obviously shill."

 

[Meadmaker]

I feel like you have a very limited view of the world. I have never been at a party where this has happened but it happened at a party in my apartment complex in college. I only found out after the girl reported it to the police and we had a lot of cops on the grounds. The guys involved were bragging about it. But, nobody left the complex, so I assume the cops felt it was a he said/she said, boys will be boys sort of thing.

That is why such things happened and why they were not reported.

No it didn't.

Do you not see the difference between what happened in your apartment complex and what the new complainant has alleged?