Atheists destroy churches, attack the faithful

It is odd to see the level of denial of the atheist role in this. Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Xi, all hard core militant Marxist atheists.

Ok, so you're saying all christians also beat animals and keep children locked away? Odd.

I think I understand the christian agenda now, So another question, why did people of your faith plan and execute the events of 9/11?
 
It is odd to see the level of denial of the atheist role in this. Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Xi, all hard core militant Marxist atheists.


No, I'll make another attempt to explain it to you:

Karl Marx went far beyond atheism. That God isn't real is a boring truism. What concerned him was why so many people nevertheless choose to believe in him. And he noticed that their belief in God comforts them.
So the next question is: Why do they want and need to be comforted?
And he noticed that the reason is their ****** lives: If you lead a fulfilling life, you don't ask yourself, what's the point of it all?
But when your life seems pointless and meaningless, and you can't find a solution to your problems in reality as it is, you start looking for an 'answer' beyond reality, it the realm of fantasy, in religion. You drown your sorrows, metaphorically, not in alcohol but in the 'opium of the people':

"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions."

The obvious solution to the problem of religion is to solve the actual problems people have in this world, the 'vale of tears' that makes them want and need religion. It is pointless to ask believers to give up their delusions as long as their actual problems aren't solved:

"To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. "

Does that sound like the kind of guy who thinks that persecution of believers is the solution? Marx thought that people like you already have a hard time, and he certainly didn't want to make it any harder. On the contrary.

Do you remember the quotation from Capital about churches and monasteries being torn down and the monks joining the ranks of the proletariat? Did it seem to please him that this had happened? Or did he seem to pity the monks who found themselves in the very unenviable position of being forced to join the ranks of the proletariat, to find a way to make a living and having no way of doing so?

This is the difference between a Marxist and a hard-core atheist: We Marxists would rather discuss how to make the actual world a better place than nitpick inconsequential details and contradictions in terms in your Christian Bible. We find that endeavor very uninteresting.
 
Wow, lotta words to, you know, agree with me.

You've already admitted you have your own doubts about religion. Will you lose your alleged morality if you lose your religion? Your tendency to lie is already rather severe. I'm not sure it could get worse. What is the threat of being spanked by a cosmic sky daddy keeping YOU from doing?

You claimed to have already addressed these two questions, but so far that looks like a lie.

You claim that atheism is responsible for the crimes committed in China. What is it about atheism that, in your opinion, might be giving rise to such behavior?

Why do you believe Chinese atheists are committing such atrocities when atheists in, for example, Norway are not?

Either answer the questions or provide a link to the post where you allegedly addressed them.
 
Wow, lotta words to, you know, agree with me.


So we agree that Marx didn't fear or hate Christians?! And that instead, he pitied them and wanted to improve their working conditions and lives in general so they no longer needed the comfort that they received from their imaginary God?!
Very much unlike what Xi et al are currently doing, which shows that their Marxism is only self-proclaimed when in reality they defend capitalism and its intolerable working conditions and oppress the kinds of religious movements that they fear may turn into some kind of opposition to their branch of capitalism and nationalism.
 
The Vatican seems to embrace the Chinese oppressors - from David Mo's link above:

The Pontiff also recognizes full communion to the last Chinese bishops ordained without pontifical mandate, with the obvious intent of assuring the normal unfolding of daily life in many Catholic communities, as confirmed by the simultaneous provision which establishes, north of the capital, a new diocese, the first in over 70 years.
L'Osservatore Romano: Holy See China Agreement - A Date in History (Vatican News, Sep. 22, 2018)


A date in hstory (Ossservatore Romano, Sep. 22, 2018)
 
So we agree that Marx didn't fear or hate Christians?! And that instead, he pitied them and wanted to improve their working conditions and lives in general so they no longer needed the comfort that they received from their imaginary God?!
Very much unlike what Xi et al are currently doing, which shows that their Marxism is only self-proclaimed when in reality they defend capitalism and its intolerable working conditions and oppress the kinds of religious movements that they fear may turn into some kind of opposition to their branch of capitalism and nationalism.

Obviously no, Lol.

We agree that Marx was a militant atheist which is why virtually all of the greatest monsters of the 20th century were militant Marxist atheists.
 
We agree that Marx was a militant atheist which is why virtually all of the greatest monsters of the 20th century were militant Marxist atheists.


No, we didn't. On the contrary, I proved to you that the alleged atheist bible was no such thing. And there's probably not a single one of the greatest monsters of the 20th century who ever read it - and that includes Stalin. I guess that the guys in the Vatican, you know Xi's buddies, also never did.
 
No, we didn't. On the contrary, I proved to you that the alleged atheist bible was no such thing. And there's probably not a single one of the greatest monsters of the 20th century who ever read it - and that includes Stalin. I guess that the guys in the Vatican, you know Xi's buddies, also never did.

Ok, agree to disagree then. History’s greatest monsters said they were Marxists, but only really expressed it in their militant atheism.

Cool.
 
I did that a long time ago. So what? Now explain what the Pope is doing with the Chinese government.



It’s not actually relevant. Whenever he encounters a question people won’t stop asking and he can’t answer he lies and claims it was already addressed. Witness, for example, his claim that he already answered my questions earlier in the thread. I asked him what he thought it was about atheism that lead to the atrocities he attributed to it. I also asked why atheists in a specific country weren’t engaging in the same kind of oppression.

He’s a liar whose main goal is attacking atheism. When you try to nail down any philosophical specifics he scuttles like a cockroach in bright light.
 

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