Atheists destroy churches, attack the faithful

sylvan8798 said:
Why would the Christian god protect the Muslims? or vice versa if you prefer?
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I really do not know why god would do what a god does.

However, I do know that 'The Big Dog' often adjusts the interpretations of his fairy book in order to justify his various ideals about his god.

Shucks! With so many constant adjustments being made to something that is a supposedly supreme being by someone who is a mere human writing internet posts, then it makes one believe that there was never a supreme being to begin with.
 
Rincewind said:
Surely the answer is simple.

Just pray for God to stop the Chinese Government - and there you go...

After all, isn't there a parallel in the OT?

God had been "hardening Pharoah's heart" for a while, but eventually he got him to release the Israelites.
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The Big Dog said:
He already has

Human Rights Watch and others are exposing the wickedness of the Chinese and their apologists.
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You ask a serious question and The Big Dog answers with a tired old joke.
 
Crossbow said:
Sorry, but that will not work.

I told 'The Big Dog' some time ago that if his god was really so powerful, then his god would be able to protect his own followers.

And then 'The Big Dog' responded with some inane quote from St. Thomas Aquinas about how oppressed people are blessed by god.
Therefore, this god 'The Big Dog' worships so much will not do anything to help his followers when his followers are being repressed by non-followers, however the followers will still be blessed by his god all the same.

Yes, I know, this line of logic sure does not make any sense to me either.
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Boy this sounds familiar! Mother Teresa was on about suffering being a blessing wasn't she? Same crap with a slightly different slant. I can do without this god's blessing.:boggled:
 
Nay_Sayer said:
Well yeah, The point was to make an equally exaggerated and unfounded statement.

I think I needed to add scare quotes and italicised words.
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Yeah, it was pretty clear, I just like to point out that there is a solid argument that the worst people in the Catholic Church weren't the molesters, they were the people who kept them in the game.
 
China’s Communist Party, which is said to have some 90 million members, is officially atheist; but, increasingly, especially in recent years, the number of religious believers in its ranks has grown.
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That fact has created worrying impacts on religious human rights as we have seen:

More importantly, religious leaders and scholars note, was the shift in March to put the State Administration for Religious Affairs - a government office - back under the control of the Communist Party’s United Front Work Department....

“When the party is in charge of religious affairs, it can use all types of means to exert control, and its power to suppress is unprecedented,” Jin said.

Jin said this type of expansive control over religion will become a hallmark of Xi’s leadership.

“All religions, not only Christians but Buddhists, Catholics and Muslims, will all have to deal with the special challenges of this new era,” he said.
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So the Atheist party gains control of religious affairs, and immediately starts suppressing human rights.

here is the link
 
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The Big Dog said:
The links to the article was previously posted in this thread and are trivially easy for anyone who cared and were not just trying to score points.
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You call it point-scoring, I cal it pointing out errors. Whatever. However, in any case, given that you started this thread with the intention of scoring points off atheists, and have spent most of the time since trying to score points off anyone who disagrees with you, you're not really in a position to complain.

The Big Dog said:
Let me spoon feed you
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Thanks. Let me return the favour.
Chinese law requires religious believers to worship only in congregations registered with the authorities
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Anyone wishing to provide religious instruction or similar services online must apply by name and be judged morally fit and politically reliable, according to draft regulations posted online late Monday by the State Administration for Religious Affairs.

Organizations and schools that receive licenses can operate only on their internal networks that require users to be registered and are barred from seeking converts or distributing texts or other religious materials, the rules said.

They also impose tight limits on what can be said or posted, including a ban on criticism of the party's leadership and official religious policies, promoting religious participation by minors, and "using religion to ... overthrow the socialist system."
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Your link supports your critics, not your own argument. The Chinese government is cracking down on organisations that threaten its control. State-approved religions are still legal, and still acceptable to the authorities. While they would like everyone to be atheist, they are still allowing religious beliefs and practices.
This is about totalitarianism, not about atheism versus religion.
 
The Big Dog said:
So the Atheist party gains control of religious affairs, and immediately starts suppressing human rights.

here is the link
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What "Atheist Party"? Is that the official title of the ruling party of China, or did you just make that up?

And once again, you have posted a link that blows your own argument out of the water.
The recent closure of one of Beijing's largest independent churches, and a crackdown on congregations elsewhere in China, are part of a broader effort to bring religion more fully under the ruling Communist Party's control, say Christian leaders, scholars and rights advocates.
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You know how people keep telling you that this is about one-party rule, and not about atheism? Your link is saying exactly that.
Still not convinced? There's more:

“When the party is in charge of religious affairs, it can use all types of means to exert control, and its power to suppress is unprecedented,” Jin said.

Jin said this type of expansive control over religion will become a hallmark of Xi’s leadership.
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Religions will be controlled, not outlawed. If you disagree, please show anything in this or your other links, that says that religions will be outlawed. These are the actions of a ruthless autocracy trying to tighten its grip on its people.
This is a process that I condemn, as I condemn all human rights abuses, even those by atheists.
I note that you have gone quiet on the 'no atheists are condemning this' front. Perhaps, out of a sense of Christian charity and humility, you could go so far as to openly acknowledge that, at least in my case, you were wrong.
WWJD, TDB?
 
It seems odd to not consider that this might be Xi Jingping consolidating power and suppressing any organization around which an opposition could form. He's doing the same thing in Tibet and Xinjang. Xi no long has term limits so he could be leader for life. He's consolidated power in the party so he's now making sure no external threat can grow. It's not the beliefs he cares about; it's the hierarchical organization unaccountable to him that Xi has a problem with.
 
The Officially atheist CCP is bringing all religions under its direct control, and our correspondents would tell you that it has nothing to do with atheism. What frivolous claims the apologist are making at this point. There is obviously direct causation, and even the most hardcore apologist must concede that it is a concurrent cause.
 
I would imagine Xi thinks people can believe personally whatever damn-fool thing they like. He just doesn't want them organizing around it.
 
dann said:
Xi would never tolerate actual Marxist atheists in China. And actual Marxist atheists would never tolerate the conditions of Chinese factory workers - no matter what they believe in.
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There was not a single word about religion/atheism/faith in that article at all.

Say, I am beginning to think that xi might be one of those buffet Marxists, not really interested in the economic side, but really gorging on the contempt for human rights/abuse of religious beliefs section.
 
The Big Dog said:
The Officially atheist CCP is bringing all religions under its direct control, and our correspondents would tell you that it has nothing to do with atheism. What frivolous claims the apologist are making at this point. There is obviously direct causation, and even the most hardcore apologist must concede that it is a concurrent cause.
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/vatica...-over-bishops-allowing-pope-a-veto-1537613087

It does not have anything to do with atheism. It does have to do with stateism. The Chinese government only cares if your beliefs are a threat to the state.
 
The Big Dog said:
There was not a single word about religion/atheism/faith in that article at all.

Say, I am beginning to think that xi might be one of those buffet Marxists, not really interested in the economic side, but really gorging on the contempt for human rights/abuse of religious beliefs section.
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And what is a "buffet Marxist" supposed to be?!
 
The Big Dog said:
The Officially atheist CCP is bringing all religions under its direct control, and our correspondents would tell you that it has nothing to do with atheism. What frivolous claims the apologist are making at this point. There is obviously direct causation, and even the most hardcore apologist must concede that it is a concurrent cause.
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No, as everyone who has posted- including you- has shown, this is about totalitarian control of threats to totalitarian rule.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
No, as everyone who has posted- including you- has shown, this is about totalitarian control of threats to totalitarian rule.
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It is odd to see the level of denial of the atheist role in this. Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Xi, all hard core militant Marxist atheists.
 
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