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Cont: The Trump Presidency IX: Nein, Nein!

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Strawberry said:
I think its John Kelly.
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I don't, because I think his military training would make him respect the office of commander in chief too much to be ok with a lot of the language in the letter. "The resistance" was coined to point back to France under Nazi occupied Germany, I'm pretty sure. Cute if you're not military, not so much if you are, I'd guess.
 
kellyb said:
I don't, because I think his military training would make him respect the office of commander in chief too much to be ok with a lot of the language in the letter. "The resistance" was coined to point back to France under Nazi occupied Germany, I'm pretty sure. Cute if you're not military, not so much if you are, I'd guess.
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I'd think a US military person would see the French Resistance as the good guys. Plus I don't think its a coincidence that this person went to the NYT shortly after John McCain's funeral. Its somebody who's conflicted I think, enthusiastic about Trump's agenda but despises Donald Trump on a human level.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets
"Cosumer confidence highest in 18 years, Atlanta Fed forecasts 4.7 GDP, manufacturing jobs highest in many years. “It’s the story of the Trump Administration, the Economic Success, that’s unnerving his detractors.” @MariaBartiromo"
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This points to...I don't know another word to use that is as accurate...the basic dishonesty of Donald Trump. See the chart below and the accompanying quote (which are from Market Watch) for the reasons why manufacturing jobs are growing. It is largely due to factors other than Donald Trump.

As you can see from the chart, during the first half of 2012 and from the second half of 2013 through the end of 2015, the manufacturing sector added a lot of jobs. Right now the job growth in manufacturing is higher than at anytime in the past six years, but just barely higher as the chart makes clear. A realistic president, be it Bush, Clinton or Obama, knows that the economy is effected by a lot of factors, most of which the American president in no way controls. If the president tries to take the credit when the economy is in an up-cycle, he's setting himself up for taking the blame when the economy inevitably enters a down-cycle. I don't think Trump worries about that because his method is to try and turn everything to his advantage. It's all smoke and mirrors with this guy and he has a base of supporters that, for social/cultural reasons, will claim to accept and believe pretty much anything he says.

“By and large, we’ve been in a period of the entire globe doing pretty well,” said Mark Muro, a senior fellow and policy director at the Brookings Institution whose work focuses on economic development, manufacturing, and innovations like digitization. Manufacturing has also ridden a wave of recovery from the oil price shock that started in late 2014, and hearty demand for new motor vehicles. Link
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Strawberry said:
I'd think a US military person would see the French Resistance as the good guys. Plus I don't think its a coincidence that this person went to the NYT shortly after John McCain's funeral. Its somebody who's conflicted I think, enthusiastic about Trump's agenda but despises Donald Trump on a human level.
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They would, but it would take an extreme, all-out hatred of Trump (thinking of Trump as a Hitler equivalent) for a military dude to think of himself like that, and go public with the letter, knowing it would psychologically destabilize Trump if not doing it to mess with Trump's head.

But maybe. It's not impossible.
 
kellyb said:
They would, but it would take an extreme, all-out hatred of Trump (thinking of Trump as a Hitler equivalent) for a military dude to think of himself like that, and go public with the letter, knowing it would psychologically destabilize Trump if not doing it to mess with Trump's head.

But maybe. It's not impossible.
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It could be Jeff Sessions either. Trump has certainly antagonized him enough with his tweets.
 
Strawberry said:
It could be Jeff Sessions either. Trump has certainly antagonized him enough with his tweets.
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Could be!
I don't really see Sessions saying "we're the steady state, not the deep state", tho. But you never know!
 
TheSupermeerkat said:
Woodward produces the letter that was taken from Trump's desk!

https://m.dailykos.com/stories/1793775

Blimey!
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I was about to ask why, if the letter was real, it wasn't on White House letterhead. But I see it's a draft.

If it was a draft, perhaps it was intended as a "talking point" memo that Trump would use the next time he met with his Export Council. If so, that would mean the decision to pull out of the trade deal was only under discussion and not a done deal.

However, it is notable that Trump apparently didn't ask "Where's the Korea letter?" when it didn't show up on his desk. I presume he was the one to have asked for it to be written.
 
Minoosh said:
Has anyone suggested Kellyanne? She's not so much a foreign policy wonk but I believe her hubby is a "never Trumper."....
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I would not be surprised to find Kellyanne looking toward deniability as she considers her employment options the further the Mueller investigation moves.

This could apply to anyone in that administration though.
 
I think it could be someone under John Bolton (who took over from H.R. McMaster) in the ranks of the NSC. Lots of Obama holdovers were in there that became new appointments.

Maybe Western Hemisphere and all that chaos they had with Cuba?
....oooh looky what I found when I looked that up...
"Mauricio Claver-Carone is to be named the Senior Director for the Western Hemisphere at the National Security Council and is reported to start September 17th. He will replace the current Senior Director Juan Cruz, who will be stepping down shortly."

I think this is the 4th or 5th person in that role so far under Trump.

Odds are that it's NOT that guy but it will be someone like that.
 
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Minoosh said:
It's hard for me to parse the ethics of the situation.... I'm not sure where I stand - food for thought.
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Frankly, I find this stunning (using "He" for the writer of the Op-Ed):
  • He explicitly states that he endorses important actions by Dump but deplores others. That's not protecting "the union" AT ALL. That's protecting the GOP agenda, nothing more.
  • He explicitly states that he is implementing national policy without that being in his portfolio. He is unelected and unaccountable to anyone. That's completely and directly contrary to our Constitution in that they set three independent legs of government to keep watch over the other two.
  • He acknowledges that Dump is in over his head, is unstable and is unwilling to learn on the job. Yet he won't take the steps necessary to do his sworn duty in order to protect his own power. Wrapping his pseudo-patriotism in the flag just makes his actions all the worse.
  • He is consciously thwarting the will of the voters based on his own political agenda by leaving a derelict in power so he gets horrible tax cuts, damage to the environment and an even more bloated military.
In light of this (and more) you're still on the fence???!!! Un-***********-believeable. Do you have to have an atom bomb go off under your butt to get you to move out of neutral?
 
SezMe said:
In light of this (and more) you're still on the fence???!!! Un-***********-believeable. Do you have to have an atom bomb go off under your butt to get you to move out of neutral?
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It's possible you don't know as much as you think you know.
 
Cabbage said:
Hmmm, no response from the big dog. Now that you've called his bluff, looks like the big dog has whimpered his way out of the stadium.

Typical. LMFAO!
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Ehh, his frequent and fairly consistent choice to pointedly ignore important things that were stated extremely clearly in his responses is why I mostly don't pay much attention to TBD anymore. Some of the "outrage" that he manufactures is pretty funny, though, when put in perspective.
 
Babbylonian said:
I don't think South Korea can publicly express how they feel about this. The United States is literally the line between them and Seoul being devastated within hours by artillery fire (setting aside the possibility of NK nukes being utilized). It's beyond disturbing that any elected official, let alone the one occupying the Oval Office, would consider damaging our relationship with South Korea in a transparent effort to cozy up to North Korea. I mean, damn, talk about not in the US interest! North Korea has nothing we need or want.
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You are wrong, we saw just this week that NK has the most sought after and essential resource the USA currently needs....

Praise for Trump.
 
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