Trump and NFL boycott

[Travis]

Yeah, and they are really seizing the day for those kids sewing their shoes together.

The piece of **** wore anti-cop pig socks.
Put a swoosh on that, Nike ya dumb *****

Thank goodness he did. The cops of America are racist slime that murder without regard any black man they can. I'm glad someone called them out for it and pissed off conservatives at the same time.

 

[beachnut]

Yeah, and they are really seizing the day for those kids sewing their shoes together.

The piece of **** wore anti-cop pig socks.

Put a swoosh on that, Nike ya dumb *****

Was it one of the animals in Animal Farm wearing the socks? Is the name calling required for trump supporters, or optional? Was it an anti-Old Major sock?

"I wore these socks, in the past, because the rogue cops that are allowed to hold positions in police departments, not only put the community in danger, but also put the cops that have the right intentions in danger by creating an environment of tension and mistrust. I have two uncles and friends who are police officers and work to protect and serve ALL people. So before these socks, which were worn before I took my public stance, are used to distract from the real issues, I wanted to address this immediately."- Colin Kaepernick

Is the NFL player crime rate 3 or 4 times more than police crime rate?
Don't burn your Nike stuff, donate to to people who need it, and did you miss out shorting the stock for a 3 percent profit? Or are you actually on Nike's board and you guys bought back the stock for 3 percent discount using your massive tax cut for corporation; Knowing that the ad would generate a buzz in trump cult land for a day or week, and in two to three weeks to be forgot - based on the last year, the stock went from 50 bucks to 80 bucks; buying back the stock now means a big windfall based on tax reductions, and buying back this quarter at a 3 percent discount, why do you think the stock is stabilized today? Got stock? Got a broker?

Remember, don't burn the shoes, you might break a 5 minute mile wearing burning shoes

 

[acbytesla]

Thank goodness he did. The cops of America are racist slime that murder without regard any black man they can. I'm glad someone called them out for it and pissed off conservatives at the same time.

Whoa. Back the truck up. This isn't remotely true. Are there problem cops, even problem departments? Yes. But I know a lot a lot of cops. My best friend is a cop as is one of brothers, one if his sisters, his brother in law and his father in law. I've been at parties where almost everyone is a cop. These are very good people that have a very difficult even dangerous job where they will be criticized no matter what they do. But every force is not Ferguson, Selma or Baltimore.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

The cops of America are racist slime that murder without regard any black man they can.

Outrageous and insane outburst number 784, for those keeping count.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Whoa. Back the truck up. This isn't remotely true. Are there problem cops, even problem departments? Yes. But I know a lot a lot of cops. My best friend is a cop as is one of brothers, one if his sisters, his brother in law and his father in law. I've been at parties where almost everyone is a cop. These are very good people that have a very difficult even dangerous job where they will be criticized no matter what they do. But every force is not Ferguson, Selma or Baltimore.

There are certainly enough bad cops and bad police departments to justify Kaepernick's wearing of the socks to make a statement. Travis deals in hyperbole, unfortunately.

But it's good to get the conversation back to what it should be - this is a protest about police behavior and the powers that refuse to recognize that it's a problem.... and their knee-jerk supporters. Pence and Trump tried to turn it into an issue of patriotism, support of our men in arms, and flag-waving.

"I know some good cops" is sort of the flip side of "good people on both sides". Do we really want to or worse yet, have to live in a society that defines a "good cop" as the one who didn't shoot Mumbles on his way home yesterday.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Whoa. Back the truck up. This isn't remotely true. Are there problem cops, even problem departments? Yes. But I know a lot a lot of cops. My best friend is a cop as is one of brothers, one if his sisters, his brother in law and his father in law. I've been at parties where almost everyone is a cop. These are very good people that have a very difficult even dangerous job where they will be criticized no matter what they do. But every force is not Ferguson, Selma or Baltimore.

Good cops are still cops. Cops are bad.

 

[acbytesla]

There are certainly enough bad cops and bad police departments to justify Kaepernick's wearing of the socks to make a statement. Travis deals in hyperbole, unfortunately.

But it's good to get the conversation back to what it should be - this is a protest about police behavior and the powers that refuse to recognize that it's a problem.... and their knee-jerk supporters. Pence and Trump tried to turn it into an issue of patriotism, support of our men in arms, and flag-waving.

"I know some good cops" is sort of the flip side of "good people on both sides". Do we really want to or worse yet, have to live in a society that defines a "good cop" as the one who didn't shoot Mumbles on his way home yesterday.

I'm a supporter of police. I'm also a supporter of racial justice and peaceful protests. This isn't a black and white or a black and blue issue. If you think all cops are bad or even half are bad, you're also having a knee jerk reaction A good cop is someone who wants to serve the community. Who cares about his fellow man and wants to protect them from harm.

Policing isn't an easy job. It's a job with absurd contradictions, cross-purposes and unintended reactions. And nowhere is that more evident than it is in the black community. Nowhere is the protection of police more needed and wanted. But, nowhere is their presence resented and feared more and nowhere are cops lives more at peril than it is in them.

I don't blame all the blacks, I also don't blame all the cops.

I get sick of simplistic bumper sticker answers when there aren't any simple answers. Whatever happened to reasonable people knowing that some problems are difficult to address and we have to work at them together?

 

[Whip]

There are certainly enough bad cops and bad police departments to justify Kaepernick's wearing of the socks to make a statement.

yep. and well before he entered the NFL when he was even more overhyped. so why didn't he do anything then if he really card that much.? he only became 'aware' when he got benched for being ******?

 

[Mumbles]

Policing isn't an easy job. It's a job with absurd contradictions, cross-purposes and unintended reactions. And nowhere is that more evident than it is in the black community. Nowhere is the protection of police more needed and wanted. But, nowhere is their presence resented and feared more and nowhere are cops lives more at peril than it is in them.

You missed one: Nowhere are people lives more imperiled by police's direct aggressiveness. And given the numerous examples we've seen over the years, and the many, many black people who have been saying this for decades, it really shouldn't have ever been overlooked.

(Also, stats on police behavior against Native Americans, and people with mental health issues, show all of the above to be false, but put that aside).

The Charles Stuart case was considered a relative low in Boston, compared to the 60s and 70s when police would routinely just run up and beat the hell out of a black guy, and then leave - not to mention that they routinely showed up in white supremacist rallies, as the white supremacists. In far too many areas, the absolute first step is for police to realize that they've spent their entire organizational history going out of their way to earn the distrust that they have, and then reorganize themselves from there so as to correct the problem that they've always fed into.

It's worth noting that the National black police unions have almost entirely agreed with Kaepernick, even as the general unionists scream at how awful he is. That should tell you something right there.

yep. and well before he entered the NFL when he was even more overhyped. so why didn't he do anything then if he really card that much.?

First, what makes you think he didn't? Second, why can't he have been spurred to action by events like Ferguson, Baltimore, Eric Garner's murder, the collective shrug over Trayvon Martin, and so forth, especially when millions of people were spurred on by exactly these?

 

[acbytesla]

yep. and well before he entered the NFL when he was even more overhyped. so why didn't he do anything then if he really card that much.? he only became 'aware' when he got benched for being ******?

I had NEVER heard of Kap before he entered the NFL. But really, overhyped?

WAC Player of the year..TWICE..
Still,only player in NCAA Division I FBS history to amass 10,000 passing yards and 4,000 rushing yards in a career..

He only became 'aware' when he was benched and he decided to kneel? You can't be serious. That would be enormously stupid or don't you get it? Second stringers are more vulnerable to being cut. The more dispensible someone is, the less tolerant people are of them being a problem.

I've been in sales most of my life. When I wasn't selling, any excuse to get rid of me would be used to let me go and when I was bringing in the money, I could get away with almost anything. Tom Brady could kneel every game and the Pats aren't going to do a damn thing. If his backup does it, he's putting his career on jeopardy.

 

[Whip]

First, what makes you think he didn't? Second, why can't he have been spurred to action by events like Ferguson, Baltimore, Eric Garner's murder, the collective shrug over Trayvon Martin, and so forth, especially when millions of people were spurred on by exactly these?

Ok. I'll bite. what did he do? if he did anything at all, I'm sure it would have been broadcast ad nauseam by now. and why did he wait until he got benched in the NFL? he was there 5 years already. there were stories broadcast how he was picked on growing up. there really needed to be a tipping point? and why does he deserve a job when he walked out of his contract?

 

[Whip]

I had NEVER heard of Kap before he entered the NFL. But really, overhyped?

all one had to do was follow college football.

 

[johnny karate]

so why didn't he do anything then if he really card that much.? he only became 'aware' when he got benched for being ******?

Why didn't all the flag-huggers who claim that kneeling during the National Anthem is disrespectful to our soldiers do anything when Trump mocked McCain for being a POW? Or when Trump attacked a Gold Star family? Or when Nazis march on American soil flying the flag of an enemy nation?

They only became “aware” when a black guy protested police brutality.

 

[quadraginta]

The problem with that is the idea that there is some sort of North/South or Red State/Blue state divide in America is B.S.

The divide is Rural/Urban and we can't really redistrict that without going full on Hunger Games.

I think that so-called divide is, at this point, almost completely fabricated.

There was some truth to it years ago, probably more like more than half a century, but since the advent of movies, radio, national media outlets like giant newspaper companies and news agencies like AP, UPI, and Reuters, TV, and last but not least the Internet/WWW, that divergence has been nearly eliminated by the homogenizing effect of media.

The "rural" voters may like to think of themselves as somehow intrinsically different from there suburban and urban counterparts, but they really aren't. It's just a myth they cherish, like wearing Stetsons and cowboy boots.

It's also one that the GOP likes to encourage, as part of their Us vs.Them philosophy of electioneering. They probably don't like being reminded that Democrats have done more for farmers and less populated regions of the country than the Republicans ever even thought about doing*. (Ref; New Deal, etc., etc..)

(* - Which assumes that they ever thought about it to begin with, an unlikely circumstance at best.)

 

[acbytesla]

You missed one: Nowhere are people lives more imperiled by police's direct aggressiveness. And given the numerous examples we've seen over the years, and the many, many black people who have been saying this for decades, it really shouldn't have ever been overlooked.

(Also, stats on police behavior against Native Americans, and people with mental health issues, show all of the above to be false, but put that aside).

The Charles Stuart case was considered a relative low in Boston, compared to the 60s and 70s when police would routinely just run up and beat the hell out of a black guy, and then leave - not to mention that they routinely showed up in white supremacist rallies, as the white supremacists. In far too many areas, the absolute first step is for police to realize that they've spent their entire organizational history going out of their way to earn the distrust that they have, and then reorganize themselves from there so as to correct the problem that they've always fed into.

It's worth noting that the National black police unions have almost entirely agreed with Kaepernick, even as the general unionists scream at how awful he is. That should tell you something right there.

I live in Seattle, I've done ride-alongs. I've seen the same people that called the police attack the police both verbally and physically. I've seen black cops spit on by black citizens simply for asking questions and doing their jobs.

I've also seen cops get out of line. I saw a 250 pound King County Police officer hard tackle a suspect standing in line outside a theater for movie tickets. That guy suffered serious brain damage and will never be the same. I saw a Seattle Police Officer get out of his car and 20 second later shoot a native American wood carver. I knew an ex-cop who bragged about how cops would go to gay bars and start fights and then arrest the gays. He thought it was funny. But he was an ex-cop because he was shot in the back when responding to a call in Raineer Valley, a predominantly black neighborhood in Seattle.

I support Kaepernick and his right to protest. There is a serious problem in some departments and with some cops. But it's just wrong to paint with a broad brush.

 

[LSSBB]

Why didn't all the flag-huggers who claim that kneeling during the National Anthem is disrespectful to our soldiers do anything when Trump mocked McCain for being a POW? Or when Trump attacked a Gold Star family? Or when Nazis march on American soil flying the flag of an enemy nation?

They only became “aware” when a black guy protested police brutality.

Lets not forget, the Confederate Flag was also the flag of an enemy nation. One that fought for its right to enslave others. In my mind it is tantamount to the flag of Isis. It even had a terrorist arm in the KKK.

 

[quadraginta]

Whoa. Back the truck up. This isn't remotely true. Are there problem cops, even problem departments? Yes. But I know a lot a lot of cops. My best friend is a cop as is one of brothers, one if his sisters, his brother in law and his father in law. I've been at parties where almost everyone is a cop. These are very good people that have a very difficult even dangerous job where they will be criticized no matter what they do. But every force is not Ferguson, Selma or Baltimore.

Any cop who stands by silently when one of their fellow cops goes over the line, any cop who joins that Blue Wall of Silence, any cop who doesn't speak out against police abuse of their authority is a "problem cop".

Can all of these friends, relatives, and acquaintances of yours say, in truth, that they are never among those who are silent?

If not, then they too are "problem cops".

 

[johnny karate]

Lets not forget, the Confederate Flag was also the flag of an enemy nation. One that fought for its right to enslave others. In my mind it is tantamount to the flag of Isis. It even had a terrorist arm in the KKK.

Exactly.

It's hilarious to see these nationalist reactionaries claim that the people putting their livelihoods on the line to draw attention to a serious issue are somehow the virtue-signalers.

 

[quadraginta]

<snip>

I've also seen cops get out of line. I saw a 250 pound King County Police officer hard tackle a suspect standing in line outside a theater for movie tickets. That guy suffered serious brain damage and will never be the same. I saw a Seattle Police Officer get out of his car and 20 second later shoot a native American wood carver. I knew an ex-cop who bragged about how cops would go to gay bars and start fights and then arrest the gays. He thought it was funny.

<snip>

What did you do about it? What did you say? Who did you tell?

Are you part of the problem, too?

 

[Strawberry]

Lets not forget, the Confederate Flag was also the flag of an enemy nation. One that fought for its right to enslave others. In my mind it is tantamount to the flag of Isis. It even had a terrorist arm in the KKK.

The Confederate flag is also a symbol of treason - literally. The Confederacy was a treasonous entity which went to war against their own country, you can't get any more treachorous than that.

So these people burning their Nike shoes, I wonder how many have ever protested against the display of Confederate flags. It wouldn't surprise me if a fair few of them display the thing themselves.