Trump immigrant family separation policy

varwoche said:
Perhaps. However the Random Bozo fallacy considers not just idiocy, but significance of the idiot as well. Nugent was invited to the Trump White House. That lowers his randomness rating.
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Nugent is an undeniable moron, but I can still listen to "Stranglehold", right? He's an idiot, but he sure did play a mean guitar.
 
Craig B said:
So, for example, information given by Solzhenitsyn about people confined in camps, and the pictures illustrating his books, must be viewed as encouraging voyeurism and as being in breach of inmates' privacy. And the victims' sad-eyed images are "props" (rather than powerful evidence) in an account of the maltreatment they have received.

I am overwhelmed with incredulity at the levels to which Trumpists are ready to descend to find arguments in favour of his activities. Pictures of weeping imprisoned children separated from their parents are "child props"? This is an afternoon TV movie tear-jerker? No, alas, it's a "reality" TV show, I regret to say.
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"Quit trying to make us feel teary-eyed for the children" we look bad when we can't produce tears. WTF?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WLsNa3YSn8
 
varwoche said:
I would say Ted Nugent and Peter Fonda are equal bozos.
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Perhaps. However the Random Bozo fallacy considers not just idiocy, but significance of the idiot as well. Nugent was invited to the Trump White House. That lowers his randomness rating.
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Not only did he get an invite to the Trump White House, Nugent also:
- Is a higher-up on the NRA (the group that has major influence with the republican party)
- Before he was elected, called for Trump to be given the presidential medal of freedom
- Campaigned for Trump by appearing at several of his rallies

By the way, Nugent has also:
- Called Obama a 'subhuman mongrel'
- Said that the U.S. should 'Nagasaki' Iraq
- Called Islam a 'Voodoo religion' (Well, all religions are false, but targeting one over all others is bigotry)
- Used the term 'Toxic (female lady part)' to refer to Clinton. (Hey, I thought the white house was opposed to the use of that word)
- While South Africa was working on getting rid of apartheid, said: "apartheid isn't that cut-and-dry. All men are not created equal"

So all the bigotry and racism you would expect from a Trump supporter.

Yet despite all the overt bigotry there Nugent was, appearing at Trump rallies, and getting his photo taken with Trump at the white house. And then republicans get morally outraged over immigration separating children from their families. Trump and the republicans have shown that they are comfortable with bigotry... why are you surprised at the result?

Yet for some reason, Trump supporters look at messages from Fonda or Kathy Lee Gifford (Individuals who hold no political power, who have never been to the white house that I know of, and have never appeared on stage at political event that Clinton was speaking at) and falsely claim some sort of moral equivalence.
 
Speaking of national security:
Alongside the arguments that the detentions are inhumane, experts also cite the detrimental health effects on children. The American Public Health Association wrote that the trauma from such separation could lead to alcoholism, substance abuse, depression, obesity and suicide. (While the White House says the policy will end for future migrants, it will still affect the thousands of children currently in custody.)

But even for those who believe immigration lawbreakers deserve punishment, there’s another argument against separating children from their families: national security. The government’s policy puts the United States at risk, in both the short and long term, by breeding a generation of children with psychological problems and a population elsewhere that reviles us. Traumatized children are prime recruits for extremist groups. Their children and children’s children grow up in the shadow of, to use the language of 9,300 mental health experts, “shrapnel of this traumatic experience embedded in their minds.” As adults, these traumatized children are significantly more likely to have encounters with law enforcement.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...hreatens-our-national-security/?noredirect=on
 
phiwum said:
Nugent is an undeniable moron, but I can still listen to "Stranglehold", right? He's an idiot, but he sure did play a mean guitar.
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Yeah the guitar on that song is incredible... you do know what its about though right? But Great White Buffalo Hunter, you and I can listen to that one guilt free.

I'm just saying...

"You remember the night that you left me
You put me in my place
Got you in a stranglehold baby
You're gone, I crushed your face"
 
The Don said:
Very powerful but sadly there are too many words.

The only people who could be bothered to read more than the first phrase are already implacably opposed to President Trump. The casual voter (whether nominally Democrat, GOP or independent ) who has little or no interest in politics outside the election cycles and even then who deals almost entirely in soundbites will let all of this pass them by :(.
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Why does anyone need to read past the first paragraph?

The GOP sucks as it currently stands and another GOP leader resigned.
 
Darat said:
Which policies is he perusing that are not Republican policies?
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To be fair...Dolt 45 rarely actually pursues any policy unless it's "Me hate Obama me am white am much better president", over-the top bigotry, and/or threatening US allies. Mcconnell and Ryan are the ones pushing the usual reverse Robin Hood economics and flooding the courts with far-right lunatics.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
theprestige said:
Your "think of the children!" doesn't have quite the same effect without an actual sad-eyed child prop to go with it.
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Of course, some might say that people shouldn't really need to be told that putting children in concentration camps is wrong. But you're right, it does seem that some people do actually need to be told this.
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I find it interesting that a "think of the children" argument, a perennial favorite of right-wingnut conservatives (almost always when it is irrelevant and/or untrue) is suddenly to be disparaged on one of the rare occasions when it involves real, live children who are actually being mistreated and abused.

It's almost as if the welfare of children was really unimportant to them.
 
lobosrul5 said:
Yeah the guitar on that song is incredible... you do know what its about though right? But Great White Buffalo Hunter, you and I can listen to that one guilt free.

I'm just saying...

"You remember the night that you left me
You put me in my place
Got you in a stranglehold baby
You're gone, I crushed your face"
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I think it's Great White Buffalo.

But you're right. His instrumentals and covers (Baby, Please Don't Go) are less embarrassing to enjoy.
 
Looks like Melanie is at the border to see for herself what's going on. Looks like we'll get definitive word on whether or not she has a heart or is really in it for the money.
 
NoahFence said:
Looks like Melanie is at the border to see for herself what's going on. Looks like we'll get definitive word on whether or not she has a heart or is really in it for the money.
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I wonder if they'll let her in to see the center. After all, its not like they let just anybody in.

From: https://slate.com/news-and-politics...d-away-from-border-facility-for-children.html
A U.S. Senator from Oregon was turned away from a detention center for migrant children, including those separated from their parents at the U.S. border under a new immigration policy... he explains that his staff had sought permission to enter the facility, but that permission was declined by Homeland Security.
 
Segnosaur said:
I wonder if they'll let her in to see the center. After all, its not like they let just anybody in.

From: https://slate.com/news-and-politics...d-away-from-border-facility-for-children.html
A U.S. Senator from Oregon was turned away from a detention center for migrant children, including those separated from their parents at the U.S. border under a new immigration policy... he explains that his staff had sought permission to enter the facility, but that permission was declined by Homeland Security.
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Daily Fail, but it was the first hit on Google
'Melania Trump has arrived in McAllen, Texas to take part in briefings and tours at a nonprofit social services center for children who have entered the United States illegally and a customs and border patrol processing center,' her communications director Stephanie Grisham said in a statement.
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Do you think she gave the prerequisite 2 weeks notice?
 
NoahFence said:
Looks like Melanie is at the border to see for herself what's going on. Looks like we'll get definitive word on whether or not she has a heart or is really in it for the money.
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How will we know? If she appeals to Trump's better nature, and in reality he possesses no such thing, what sanctions can he possibly apply and survive politically? Melania, a Slovenian immigrant, is adopting the same tactic as did Queen Philippa when her cruel spouse Edward III of England threatened to execute the delegation of citizens of Calais arriving to surrender the city during the Hundred Years' War, after a long and exhausting siege.

Philippa feared that Edward's proposed atrocity might offend God.

Her benevolence has done her historical reputation no harm, but it availed her nothing with God. The son with whom she was pregnant when she intervened in Calais died when he was a year old.
 
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Regnad Kcin said:
100% off topic, but could Jared possibly wear a more ill-fitting suit jacket? Not only the cut that exposes below the button, but it’s altogether too short, the torso is untailored, and the sleeves & shoulders are rumpled and sloppy. Is being poorly dressed despite possessing tons of money a Trump family trait?
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If I were to speculate, you don't last long in Trump's circle without giving him some way of feeling better than you. Wearing a suit slobbier than his is probably a good way of getting away without having to be publically stupider, more venal or more craven. I imagine Trump brings it up every single time they meet in private, just to puff up his own ego.
 
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