Trump immigrant family separation policy

The Same Old Colossus

Send, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries he
With strident lips, "but you may keep
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
cos the United States will not be a migrant camp and it will not be a refugee holding facility. It won’t be. If you look at what’s happening in Europe, if you look at what’s happening in other places, we can’t allow that to happen to the United States – not on my watch.”
 
The Don said:
Quite frankly I'd be astonished if Obama did anything like this because not only did he not have an racist administration, he was also a halfway competent politician...
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This is another of the Republican memes, and one of their favorites. That the Democrats, and people who identify themselves as Democrats (like me), are actually worse. We're every bit, possibly even more, racist/sexist/homophobic only we won't own up to it. If Obama had enacted a policy like this I'm sure the reaction would have been pretty much the same. And Obama's popularity, and the respect he was held in, would have plummeted.

This is from the Politico article, headlined, "No, Donald Trump’s separation of immigrant families was not Barack Obama’s policy."
"Obama generally refrained from prosecution in cases involving adults who crossed the border with their kids," said Peter Margulies, an immigration law and national security law professor at Roger Williams University School of Law. "In contrast, the current administration has chosen to prosecute adult border-crossers, even when they have kids. That's a choice — one fundamentally different from the choice made by both Obama and previous presidents of both parties."

Denise Gilman, a law professor who directs the immigration clinic at the University of Texas School of Law, said immigration attorneys "occasionally" saw separated families under the Obama administration. "However, these families were usually reunited quite quickly once identified," she said, "even if that meant release of a parent from adult detention." Link
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Minoosh said:
I have zero tolerance for "zero tolerance" ... oh, wait.

But seriously, I think this second-guessing of law enforcement officers in the field is to blame for a lot of problems. It's like saying everyone will be prosecuted for not using their turn signals, even if the DUI squad has to be disbanded in the process. Yes, it will deter people from failing to signal, but is that really the best use of resources?
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Of course

We wouldn't want real guards with hard core felons, better they be guarding truamatized kids.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/17/us/prisons-safety-substitute-guards.html
 
Shalamar said:
Because I actually know the answer. I find threats against ICE employees and their children horrible, deplorable, and such people should be prosecuted under the law.

But ripping brown children from their families? That's a-ok in the eyes of the right! Which is why I said 'womp womp'. Because the 'Righteous Right'tm doesn't care. They declared 'womp womp' when faced with the whole mess about putting children in cages. They just don't give a ****.
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Please be accurate. That wasn't a womp womp about all the kids just the ones with Downs syndrome being separated from their parents!
 
Remember the bit in 1984 when they reduce the chocolate ration from 20g to 10g a week, and Winston has to change all the archives to make it look like it used to be 5g a week, and the loyal population stage a rally praising Big Brother for increasing the chocolate ration…?
 
The Big Dog said:
the violent threats are wildly over the top

the left has lost it
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This is the random bozo fallacy taken to a level that's boldly in the realm of the surreal. The words of a couple of random, highly insignificant bozos inform critical thinkers of precisely nothing.

That said, I'm guessing that when Ted Nugent spouts off with his insane, violent fantasies, you don't have one damn thing to say about it. (By all means, prove me wrong.) Nugent is far less of a random bozo than the characters that have your undies bunched, what with White House invites etc.

Meanwhile, thousands of children are still forcibly separated from their parents, location unknown, conditions unknown. I'd lay odds that some of these kids will never see their parents again.

The rank stupidity on display from Trump et al is something to behold. Despite caving, the crisis over these interned children is unchanged, and the hot water will only get hotter. From the standpoint of the Bigot-in-Chief, the policy reversal is a lose/lose.
 
Lurch said:
On The 11th Hour this evening Stephanie Ruhle had a recorded interview with a few Baptist (?) Pastors. One (a middle-aged white guy) emphatically stated that elected (or maybe not even elected, for all we can tell) politicians were selected by God, and hence must be trusted and supported.

Stephanie should have pointed out to this tool that Hitler was an elected politician too.

Looking to more recent times, she might have asked if Obama enjoyed the same support from him. After all, even more folk voted for him than for Trump.

I suspect that if an honest answer were to be proffered, the hypocrisy would be rank.

As a middle-aged white guy, I can honestly say that our race/generation/gender can't die out soon enough. Sure, not all of us are embittered bigots pining for the '50s. But I've seen enough of 'em to realize that as a group we'd do the world a favor by going extinct. And sooner being better, before infecting too many among the following generations. But then, maybe we're too late...

Whites have got to realize that diversity is strength. Even at the genetic level. Hell, the world is becoming increasingly more darkly complected, as racial animus declines in a more egalitarian, cosmopolitan world. (And whites make fewer babies.) Rural hicks who cling to their nostalgic and never-to-be-resurrected past times have got to get with the program, or get the hell out of the way and let the realists run the show.
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The same old lie peddled by kings and pharaohs to justify their power, wealth and oppression.
 
Sideroxylon said:
The same old lie peddled by kings and pharaohs to justify their power, wealth and oppression.
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Talking of kings, Pharaohs etc, what will the detained children scandal do for Trump's chances of receiving an invitation from HM the Queen to visit the UK?
 
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varwoche said:
This is the random bozo fallacy taken to a level that's boldly in the realm of the surreal. The words of a couple of random, highly insignificant bozos inform critical thinkers of precisely nothing.

That said, I'm guessing that when Ted Nugent spouts off with his insane, violent fantasies, you don't have one damn thing to say about it. (By all means, prove me wrong.) Nugent is far less of a random bozo than the characters that have your undies bunched, what with White House invites etc.

Meanwhile, thousands of children are still forcibly separated from their parents, location unknown, conditions unknown. I'd lay odds that some of these kids will never see their parents again.

The rank stupidity on display from Trump et al is something to behold. Despite caving, the crisis over these interned children is unchanged, and the hot water will only get hotter. From the standpoint of the Bigot-in-Chief, the policy reversal is a lose/lose.
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I would say Ted Nugent and Peter Fonda are equal bozos.
 
Darat said:
Nothing.
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May I ask why you think that? Adverse publicity is highly distasteful both to the Palace and to Downing Street. A state visit by Trump would attract huge demonstrations of dissent, and the country is already split from top to bottom over Brexit; all this at a time when the perennial "Irish Question" is manifesting itself in acute forms.
 
My two pennorth.....

Craig B said:
May I ask why you think that?
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The UK is staring into the post-Brexit abyss and as such needs all the friends that it can manage to scrounge up. Donald Trump may be poorly regarded by most people in the UK but we are absolutely desperate to roll over and expose our bellies to the US in the (forlorn IMO) hope that they won't take us to the cleaners when the trade talks come around.

Craig B said:
Adverse publicity is highly distasteful both to the Palace and to Downing Street. A state visit by Trump would attract huge demonstrations of dissent, and the country is already split from top to bottom over Brexit;
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I suspect that the government is learning from President Trump that one contentious matter can help distract from others. What better way to move public opinion away from the Brexit fiasco than with a visit from the US President ?

Craig B said:
all this at a time when the perennial "Irish Question" is manifesting itself in acute forms.
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As above, IMO the visit from President Trump will be viewed as a welcome distraction.
 
Craig B said:
May I ask why you think that? Adverse publicity is highly distasteful both to the Palace and to Downing Street. A state visit by Trump would attract huge demonstrations of dissent, and the country is already split from top to bottom over Brexit; all this at a time when the perennial "Irish Question" is manifesting itself in acute forms.
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Because it isn't going to make one iota of a difference in terms of who would or wouldn't have been against or for his visit and such a meeting.
 
Darat said:
Because it isn't going to make one iota of a difference in terms of who would or wouldn't have been against or for his visit and such a meeting.
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There was an article on CNN today that his "envoy" (can't remember who) said he'd be visiting the Queen. It was worded in such a way that one is led to assume there has been no such audience arranged and they're hoping to put her sensible pumps to the fire by presenting the case as "He's the POTUS - he has to meet with the head of state", making it sound like it's his choice.

Has there been any comment in the UK from anyone who matters?

ETA: Found the article. It was Woody Johnson - the ambassador. Read the article.... he really is dangling the request for an invitation.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/20/politics/trump-queen-england-visit/index.html
 
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