Trump immigrant family separation policy

[The Big Dog]

Twitter has been overwhelmed keeping up with the vicious violent threats arising out this policy, fortunately the account devoted solely to doxxing ICE employees has been deactivated.

 

[The Big Dog]

Because it isn't going to make one iota of a difference in terms of who would or wouldn't have been against or for his visit and such a meeting.

is that because Britain has the same policy?

 

[BobTheCoward]

Which policies is he perusing that are not Republican policies?

Irrelevant. He could follow every policy to a T. That doesn't make him the party.

 

[varwoche]

I would say Ted Nugent and Peter Fonda are equal bozos.

Perhaps. However the Random Bozo fallacy considers not just idiocy, but significance of the idiot as well. Nugent was invited to the Trump White House. That lowers his randomness rating.

 

[The Don]

is that because Britain has the same policy?

Nope, it's not UK policy to separate the children of suspected illegal immigrants from their parents and stick them in cages.

 

[theprestige]

That doesn't work so great with OTMs though.

OTMs transiting Mexico are a Mexico problem, not a US problem. If the Mexican government doesn't like them being turned back at their northern border, they can certainly take steps to turn them back sooner.

 

[theprestige]

It's kind of sad, or ironic, or something, that in the quest to give youthful detainees privacy, we ended up making them faceless.

I'm pretty sure they still have faces. You not knowing what they look like doesn't actually make them faceless. It just preserves their privacy from your voyeuristic gaze and appeals to emotion. Your "think of the children!" doesn't have quite the same effect without an actual sad-eyed child prop to go with it.

 

[Hlafordlaes]

Correct, his system based style is to never apologize or capitulate, he will use this as leverage to get something bigger done, probably the wall.

• Cessation of military exercises in exchange for a photo-op and a nothing-burger.
• Backing down on GOP policy (last night), and having to lie in shame about his own actions and those of GOP whiners, who on own initiative, have been up to fascist behavior, publicly. (This is how it is reported outside the US; no one is going for whine boy mythology anymore.)
• Hows that realignment of all signatories to the Iran agreement amongst themselves and against the US going for you? About to propose a North Korea deal and "go for the win" again?

What he has actually accomplished is the loss of US leadership. Non-Americans must now dutifully ask any US official as part of due diligence in any negotiation: "Lying now, copping out later, or going straight for the back stab?"

Banana? Goes with the "Republic."

 

[ponderingturtle]

Perhaps. However the Random Bozo fallacy considers not just idiocy, but significance of the idiot as well. Nugent was invited to the Trump White House. That lowers his randomness rating.

Also is a respected political leader as seen by his being on the NRA board of directors, what political lobbying organizations in Fonda on the board of?

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Your "think of the children!" doesn't have quite the same effect without an actual sad-eyed child prop to go with it.

Of course, some might say that people shouldn't really need to be told that putting children in concentration camps is wrong. But you're right, it does seem that some people do actually need to be told this.

 

[Craig B]

My two pennorth...

The UK is staring into the post-Brexit abyss and as such needs all the friends that it can manage to scrounge up. Donald Trump may be poorly regarded by most people in the UK but we are absolutely desperate to roll over and expose our bellies to the US in the (forlorn IMO) hope that they won't take us to the cleaners when the trade talks come around.

I suspect that the government is learning from President Trump that one contentious matter can help distract from others. What better way to move public opinion away from the Brexit fiasco than with a visit from the US President ?

As above, IMO the visit from President Trump will be viewed as a welcome distraction.

Your meditations are very interesting and probably worth more than the 2d at which you value them. You may be right, but there is a danger that you have possibly not have taken fully into account, and which may make the "distraction" tactic come seriously unstuck.

Distractions are effective when the original matter and the proposed distraction are not linked in the public mind. But Trump's seeming heartlessness towards migrants, the xenophobia of the Brexiteers, and the reactionary bigotry of the DUP are linked - or a plausible narrative might be composed to link them - in the public mind, and rather than cancel one another out they may act in concert to reinforce or confirm the adverse public opinions that it is the UK establishment's desire to dispel.

I can imagine it already ... "Oh Trump's getting his state visit, is he? The poor Queen! It just proves what I've always said: May's really a closet Brexiteer herself who would like nothing better than to send the children of migrants to concentration camps."

 

[Darat]

Twitter has been overwhelmed keeping up with the vicious violent threats arising out this policy, fortunately the account devoted solely to doxxing ICE employees has been deactivated.

Has it? Can't see any announcements from Twitter about this, are you sure of your facts?

 

[Darat]

is that because Britain has the same policy?

No.

 

[Darat]

Irrelevant. He could follow every policy to a T. That doesn't make him the party.

Strange.

 

[uke2se]

Strange.

I think we need to spell it out for Bob.

When we say that the GOP is the party of Trump, what we mean is that all Goopers in positions of leadership vote with Trump and carry water for him, and that the Gooper base worship Trump no matter what he does.

We aren't actually saying that every single person in the GOP is Trump.

Does that make it easier for you to understand, Bob?

 

[BobTheCoward]

I think we need to spell it out for Bob.

When we say that the GOP is the party of Trump, what we mean is that all Goopers in positions of leadership vote with Trump and carry water for him, and that the Gooper base worship Trump no matter what he does.

We aren't actually saying that every single person in the GOP is Trump.

Does that make it easier for you to understand, Bob?

I don't see why you don't just say that.

 

[ponderingturtle]

I don't see why you don't just say that.

Because generalizing from 90% to all of them is a really easy generalization and does not constantly require excessive wording for an irrelevant minority.

 

[NoahFence]

Typically it doesn't need to be spelled out so explicitly.

 

[Craig4]

That's certainly the myth of America. But there are plenty of driven, capable, determined people who don't succeed, and the reason the myth is problematic is that it reinforces the idea that people like Trump thrive on - that anybody who is poor or unsuccessful deserves to be because they just didn't work hard enough, and that anybody who is rich deserves to be because they got there through hard work.

I understand your sentiment in context, but what you're actually expressing is insidious and poisonous.



All of the Allies can. And the Germans weren't so much rushing to surrender to us, as they were rushing not to surrender to the USSR - because if they did they'd likely end up in concentration camps themselves, because the worst of the fighting was against the USSR and the USSR suffered the biggest losses by a long chalk.

You're right. We don't live up to the myth and we never will, no country could. That doesn't mean we throw in the towel and stop trying.

 

[Craig B]

I'm pretty sure they still have faces. You not knowing what they look like doesn't actually make them faceless. It just preserves their privacy from your voyeuristic gaze and appeals to emotion. Your "think of the children!" doesn't have quite the same effect without an actual sad-eyed child prop to go with it.

So, for example, information given by Solzhenitsyn about people confined in camps, and the pictures illustrating his books, must be viewed as encouraging voyeurism and as being in breach of inmates' privacy. And the victims' sad-eyed images are "props" (rather than powerful evidence) in an account of the maltreatment they have received.

I am overwhelmed with incredulity at the levels to which Trumpists are ready to descend to find arguments in favour of his activities. Pictures of weeping imprisoned children separated from their parents are "child props"? This is an afternoon TV movie tear-jerker? No, alas, it's a "reality" TV show, I regret to say.